It sounds like a lot of the frustration comes from the way that DAZ markets all this to new to the 3D world (or DS) as a one click solution where anyone or their dog can create art just like the promos. I keep reading references to Ready to Render, as if all one has to do is purchase a product, open it in DS, hit render and voila! You have an image identical to the promos.
As any number of people have pointed out. That isn’t going to happen. Ever. MAYBE, if you purchase a Ready to Render scene (though I have my doubts about that because there still is more to creating promo level (or better) art than just purchasing a product).
I’ve also spent the equivalent of a car here. If I’d saved all the money I spent here, I could have afforded a Prius in 2006 when I had to replace my 21 year old Camry. I’ve not yet stopped shopping here, but I spend far less here than I did in the past. The Prius c Two may be within my reach :wink:
I purchased the product in question, and thanks to this topic, I finally used it in a scene. What can I say ... I have just too much content! While I use (until today) Poser Pro 2012, I was completely satisfied with the render. No, it didn’t look like the promos (but then, I used my lights, my camera angle, a skydome and Indirect Light), but it sure didn’t look like what’s been posted here as proof that the product promos are misleading.
I did no tweaking other than to rotate the water. Of course, then I took it into Photoshop and postworked the hell out of it. Not because the render was crap, but because I wanted more of a watercolor look and feel.
It is customary for promo artists to include content from other products in the promos. That’s not deception. Sometimes it is hard to tell exactly what is included in a product (and some promos are so dark that you just can’t see anything). If there isn’t a promo that shows exactly what’s included (usually there is), that’s where you need to read the What’s Included closely, and if you still don’t know ... ask. Someone has already purchased the product and will answer. If there isn’t a vendor topic already started to promote the product, start a topic asking for other’s feedback. If there is a vendor topic, ask for non promo renders. Don’t hesitate to ask others to show renders either if you think the promos look entirely too slick. Bottom line ... promo art shows what can be done with the product IF you are skilled. They rarely show what a beginner or a less skilled customer will be able to produce. Also, preloads and camera/light presets are not at all the same as Ready to Render.
When it isn’t noted what was used to render the promos, it’s wise to ask. Never assume the promos were rendered in your application. DS / Poser / Reality / Octane / etc., along with custom lighting, produce very different results. It’s one of my frustrations that Poser renders are very seldom included in product promos.
Well ... that’s my $0.02.
(and congratulations to anyone who is able to render a Stonemason product straight out of the box and have it look like the promos. Mine never do. Which is not to say that Stonemasons products are .defective or his promos misleading. They are anything but. But, I believe most of the lighting that’s included with his products is DS. Then too ... I’ve rarely been happy with the lighting that’s included in any product. It’s usually far too bright.)
I guess I’m just a little unsure of why there’s such outrage. Daz has the most generous return policy of any digital vendor I know. If you aren’t able to get the desired results from a product with the amount of effort you wish to expend, return it. If you feel so compelled, send a note to the vendor expressing your dissatisfaction. Or, if you are particularly attached to the product and want to make it work, contact DAZ tech support or the vendor and request the specific conditions under which the promo images were done. It seems like FirstBastion has just done a very detailed job of making that explanation.
I have spent close to $600 in a relatively short time here at DAZ.
I’ve spent the equivalent of a CAR here. I continue to spend it because the customer service is amazing. When I became very displeased with the service, I didn’t shop here until the issues were resolved. Sometimes we just have to politely advocate what we want and then withdraw our dollars if it doesn’t happen. Daz makes that extremely easy to do because of their satisfaction-guaranteed policies.
Render quality ALWAYS comes down to the experience, effort, and detail-orientation of the artist. One never gains experience without muddling. As for the continued complaining… This is just starting to sound like a dead horse.