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Posted: 11 April 2013 10:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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TheWheelMan - 11 April 2013 10:12 AM
wancow - 11 April 2013 09:28 AM

Correct me if this is wrong:

But is it not true that everything can be made DSON compatible by running it through DAZ Studio 4.5?

With maybe a few exceptions, I think that’s true.

And to the OP, it’s not exactly accurate to say that characters like Hitomi, etc., aren’t Poser compatible because they are just morphs for Genesis, so if you install them to Genesis, they automatically show up in Genesis’s dials in Poser. But the materials are still the problem.

My understanding was this, a DUF scene file will open in Poser via DSON just fine, no matter what was put into it… now, I don’t use Poser, so I don’t KNOW this, but I’ve been told this repeatedly from several different people.  I would think it would be a simple thing to create a simple scene with whatever applied, save it, then open it in Poser…  Doesn’t D|S 4.5 have the ability to share the Poser Runtime as its default?

IF (big IF) what I understand to be true is correct, than the vast majority of problems Poser users have with DSON would be solved if they’d simply run stuff through D|S first…

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Posted: 11 April 2013 10:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Not everyone can use DS (or wants to), and it would make sense to me that Daz and the PA’s would want as much $ as possible for their products. So if they want our money keep making Poser compatible products. I’m not going to pay money for something and have to make it function properly myself. I’m not too concerned anymore whether Daz continues to sell Poser compatible products or not. Gen 4 support sure isn’t slowing down anywhere but here.

TimG - 11 April 2013 10:17 AM

Maybe Daz should consider having a second version of products at a slightly higher price point and make them Poser compatible.

LOL! Why should we pay more for a Poser compatible product? I suppose that means DS users should pay more for vendors adding DS materials to a product then?

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Posted: 11 April 2013 10:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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chohole - 11 April 2013 10:26 AM
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TimG - 11 April 2013 10:17 AM

Maybe Daz should consider having a second version of products at a slightly higher price point and make them Poser compatible.

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Posted: 11 April 2013 10:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Faerydae - 11 April 2013 10:35 AM
TimG - 11 April 2013 10:17 AM

Maybe Daz should consider having a second version of products at a slightly higher price point and make them Poser compatible.

LOL! Why should we pay more for a Poser compatible product? I suppose that means DS users should pay more for vendors adding DS materials to a product then?

I’m a Studio user - great program. If Daz needs to spend more time and resources to make a product work better for Poser, I don’t think Studio users should have to pay for that. No offense meant to anyone.

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Posted: 11 April 2013 10:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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wancow - 11 April 2013 10:31 AM
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wancow - 11 April 2013 09:28 AM

Correct me if this is wrong:

But is it not true that everything can be made DSON compatible by running it through DAZ Studio 4.5?

With maybe a few exceptions, I think that’s true.

And to the OP, it’s not exactly accurate to say that characters like Hitomi, etc., aren’t Poser compatible because they are just morphs for Genesis, so if you install them to Genesis, they automatically show up in Genesis’s dials in Poser. But the materials are still the problem.

My understanding was this, a DUF scene file will open in Poser via DSON just fine, no matter what was put into it… now, I don’t use Poser, so I don’t KNOW this, but I’ve been told this repeatedly from several different people.  I would think it would be a simple thing to create a simple scene with whatever applied, save it, then open it in Poser…  Doesn’t D|S 4.5 have the ability to share the Poser Runtime as its default?

IF (big IF) what I understand to be true is correct, than the vast majority of problems Poser users have with DSON would be solved if they’d simply run stuff through D|S first…

The Idea of having the DSON importer is that Poser users can now use Genesis etc, without having to use DS.  So we do not want to run stuff through DS first, because we do not have DS on our systems.  Simple.

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Posted: 11 April 2013 10:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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TimG, to be fair, Poser Users who use Genesis DID pay for DSON smile
http://www.daz3d.com/software/plugins-utilities/dson-importer-for-poser

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Posted: 11 April 2013 10:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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chohole - 11 April 2013 10:38 AM

The Idea of having the DSON importer is that Poser users can now use Genesis etc, without having to use DS.  So we do not want to run stuff through DS first, because we do not have DS on our systems.  Simple.

Chohole, there’s a huge problem with this!

My wondeful friend Wilmap creates stuff exclusively in D|S 4.0 Format.  None of which is DSON compatible till it’s run through D|S 4.5.

This is true of a LOT of free content, and the reason, they tell me, is that so many people cannot or will not (I personally think it’s the latter) upgrade to D|S 4.5.

By not having D|S 4.5 installed, Poser users who use Genesis are depriving themselves of a TONNE of content on ShareCG, not the least of which is Wilmap’s entire wardrobe.

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Posted: 11 April 2013 10:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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TimG - 11 April 2013 10:37 AM
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TimG - 11 April 2013 10:17 AM

Maybe Daz should consider having a second version of products at a slightly higher price point and make them Poser compatible.

LOL! Why should we pay more for a Poser compatible product? I suppose that means DS users should pay more for vendors adding DS materials to a product then?

I’m a Studio user - great program. If Daz needs to spend more time and resources to make a product work better for Poser, I don’t think Studio users should have to pay for that. No offense meant to anyone.

So the same applies to products that are made to work better for DS then?


wancow - I know you love to stir up drama any time a thread about Poser and Genesis is started to get it locked, but I’m not biting today smile I am curious though why these threads get you so riled up. You don’t use Poser so why does Poser users wanting to use Genesis products bother you so much? It doesn’t stop you from using Genesis in DS. Feel free to pm me so we can discuss your issues if you like.

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Posted: 11 April 2013 10:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Faerydae - 11 April 2013 10:50 AM

So the same applies to products that are made to work better for DS then?

If I was going to buy content from Smith Micro and they had to change their standard product to work with Studio, I’d expect to pay a little more.

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Posted: 11 April 2013 10:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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AS I said before and will say again

The Idea of having the DSON importer is that Poser users can now use Genesis etc, without having to use DS.  So we do not want to run stuff through DS first, because we do not have DS on our systems.  Simple.

DAZ 3D made the DSON importer for the benefit of Poser users.

So please can we avoid stirring up the same tired old arguments again thus causing this thread to be locked.

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Posted: 11 April 2013 10:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Faerydae - 11 April 2013 10:50 AM

wancow - I know you love to stir up drama any time a thread about Poser and Genesis is started to get it locked, but I’m not biting today smile I am curious though why these threads get you so riled up. You don’t use Poser so why does Poser users wanting to use Genesis products bother you so much? It doesn’t stop you from using Genesis in DS. Feel free to pm me so we can discuss your issues if you like.

Not trying at all smile

Actually, I’m fully supportive of Poser users having access to Genesis.  All I’m trying to convey is that if you’re unwilling to install D|S 4.5, you’re depriving yourself of a lot of content, especially FREE content.

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Posted: 11 April 2013 11:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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wancow - 11 April 2013 10:59 AM
Faerydae - 11 April 2013 10:50 AM

wancow - I know you love to stir up drama any time a thread about Poser and Genesis is started to get it locked, but I’m not biting today smile I am curious though why these threads get you so riled up. You don’t use Poser so why does Poser users wanting to use Genesis products bother you so much? It doesn’t stop you from using Genesis in DS. Feel free to pm me so we can discuss your issues if you like.

Not trying at all smile

Actually, I’m fully supportive of Poser users having access to Genesis.  All I’m trying to convey is that if you’re unwilling to install D|S 4.5, you’re depriving yourself of a lot of content, especially FREE content.

I installed it, and as I’ve said too many times, it does not work for me. Just like previous versions of DS. That’s how I ended up with Poser to begin with. I can run Poser, Vue, PS, etc. (even all of them at the same time!)  with no issues whatsoever. DS has never worked on any computer I’ve owned. I’m done trying.

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Posted: 11 April 2013 11:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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chohole - 11 April 2013 10:57 AM

So please can we avoid stirring up the same tired old arguments again thus causing this thread to be locked.

And my point stands.  A lot of Genesis content out there is for DS4.0, which is not DSON compatable.

Here’s some of the stuff you can’t use in Poser without running it through D|S4.5:

http://www.sharecg.com/pf/full_uploads.php?pf_user_name=wilmap

OH!  By the way, Chohole, would you mind terribly telling me if these works in Poser?
http://www.sharecg.com/v/67985/view/21/DAZ-Studio/WC-Samantha-Hair-for-Genesis
http://www.sharecg.com/v/68154/view/21/DAZ-Studio/WC-Belle-Ball-Gown

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Posted: 11 April 2013 11:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Hey there,

If you have a problem with a vendors product, maybe you should contact said vendor via PM and discuss with them privately instead of bringing the issue into a public forum?

Add-on Textures for Real Jeanz for Genesis - Released today,  The base model is Poser compatible, but none of the add-on packs are. <—- the reason being for this. I didn’t know until last minute that the JeanZ had been made DSON compatiable. The JeanZ and add-on packs had been tested for a schedualed release date, so the DSON files couldn’t be tested on time for release. So the choice was made to release them at the same time as the JeanZ, as they’re for Genesis anyway. I had given the testers my DSON files for both packs and am just waiting on testing. They will be added in asap.

If you look in my store, you will see I have consistently been a Poser and DS supportive vendor. I’ve made buildings, hair models, characters for both Genesis/M4/V4 and lighting packs ALL dual software compatiable.

It really does annoy & upset me how people jump to conclusions. The way it came across in your post, is that I ‘couldn’t be bothered’ to offer Poser support. When that IS NOT the case. If I’ve offered cross compatiable support for years, why would I stop now?

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Posted: 11 April 2013 11:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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ForbiddenWhispers - 11 April 2013 11:10 AM


It really does annoy & upset me how people jump to conclusions. The way it came across in your post, is that I ‘couldn’t be bothered’ to offer Poser support. When that IS NOT the case. If I’ve offered cross compatiable support for years, why would I stop now?


In the first post that I made at the start of the thread, and in a later post, I specifically stated:

“But I don’t hold the artists responsible because all of these products are being sold in the Daz store.”

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“I realise that these are not Daz original products and I do not feel that the blame is with the PA’s.”


So I’ll say it again - I don’t blame any of the PA’s for not making their products Poser compatible, simply because many PA’s do not own Poser.  Daz owns the store, so it is their responsibility to make their products compatible with Poser if they want Poser users to continue using Genesis and DSON. 

There have been some very constructive posts so far in this thread regarding how Poser users could use DS-only genesis products.  If it really is as simple as running the product through DS, then why don’t Daz get one of their staff to do that?

Like many others, I do not have DS installed on my system.  Having tried several versions before 1.0, then version 3 and 4, and having had problems with all of them, I do not see the point of having it on my machine.

If that means losing out on free content, then so be it - many of us missed out on a lot of content when we couldn’t use Genesis.  Yes, we could have used DS, but we either can’t or won’t.

The idea of paying extra for Poser compatibility is an interesting one.  If the price was low enough then I would be willing to pay it.  Maybe an add-on pack for some existing models which had been run through DS and then had the textures optimised for Poser.

 

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