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A Little More Love for Poser Users Please
Posted: 11 April 2013 05:08 AM   [ Ignore ]
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With the move to Genesis, I was one of the Poser users who cancelled my PC membership and virtually stopped buying at Daz.  So I was really pleased when Daz released the DSON scripts for Poser.  I downloaded DSON and tried out the free models, then I bought V5 and was very pleased with the results.  At the time, a big fanfare was made about how Genesis was now available to Poser users and how products were going to be updated to be compatible.  Because of this I bought a lot more Genesis content - most of the “Pro Bundles” - V5, M5, H5, S5, Young Teens etc.  I have been pleased with the way that DSON and Genesis work on my machine.

But…it’s now been around 6 months since DSON was released.  There are still some major items that haven’t been converted to DSON for Poser.  Even worse, there are still products being released that are not Poser-compatible.  The ones that spring to mind most readily are:

Genesis Super Suit - Yes, a lot of texture conversion needed but the body suits were well used in previous generations of models and Genesis is missing a lot without this.

Hitomi - This figure seems to be the companion to Hiro now.  But not if you use Poser.

Kimberly for Genesis - A recent release, but not compatible with Poser.

Add-on Textures for Real Jeanz for Genesis - Released today,  The base model is Poser compatible, but none of the add-on packs are.


I realise that it could be argued that some of these are not Daz original products and it is the decision of the artist making them whether to go the extra mile and make them compatible with Poser.  But I don’t hold the artists responsible because all of these products are being sold in the Daz store. 

Surely Daz could take some responsibility and convert these products to make them also Poser-compatible.  Maybe it’s possible to do it yourself using Daz Studio, but I don’t use that program and I don’t like the idea of paying for a product from Daz and then having to mess around and do the conversion myself - that’s what I pay Daz for when I buy a product here.

Overall, I just can’t help feeling that Daz lured a lot of Poser users back with the release of DSON and assurances that products would be compatible or be made compatible, but now they seem to have forgotten about us again.

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Posted: 11 April 2013 05:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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You can bring a lot of those into Poser, if you dion’t mind redoing the materials, using (I think) Dimension3D’s script that launches the DSON Importer via a file browser, so that Poser Companion Files aren’t needed. Come to that, you can make your own PoserCFs manually - it just needs a copy of the .duf file, a copy of the .py file from any PoserCF renamed to match the .duf, and a copy of any Poser library file from a PoserCF rename to match the .duf and with the runpythonscript line edited to reflect the name of the .py/.duf file. I suspect materials are the main stumbling block, though soem things don’t work for other reasons (grouping can be an issue, for example).

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Posted: 11 April 2013 05:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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And since WandW posted the link to the script in another thread: http://d3d.sesseler.de/index.php?software=poserpython&product=dson_loader

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Posted: 11 April 2013 05:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Thanks Richard.  I will take a look at the script and I appreciate you posting the link. 

But…I do still think that Daz could do a lot more to ensure that at least new products sold here work with both DS and Poser wherever possible.

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Posted: 11 April 2013 06:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Hitomi, Kimberly and the add-on textures were created by other PA’s. Hitomi is from MallenLane, Kimberly is 3D Universe, and the add on textures are made by Forbidden Whispers.

As Richard states, with the DSON importer, the majority of Daz content works in Poser for the most part. Materials will be a sticking point since Poser uses very different materials, and the only way to ensure there’s compatibility is to create separate materials for both. I think many PA’s do own a copy of Poser and will make the necessary materials, but some might not so they would be unable to provide such materials..

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Posted: 11 April 2013 07:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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As I said in my original post - I realise that these are not Daz original products and I do not feel that the blame is with the PA’s. 

The products are sold here at Daz, so surely before the products are packaged and added to the store they could carry out the conversions to make them compatible with Poser DSON.

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Posted: 11 April 2013 07:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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As for the Supersuit I think it is more down to how it was made and how is uses the Smoothing and Collison Mod to fit the figures at default which is something that cannot be translated to Poser in the same way we DS users cannot use Poser Nodes based shaders. It is just one of those things. smile

No comment on the other products. wink

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Posted: 11 April 2013 08:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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That’s something I didn’t know about the supersuit, so it probably will never be converted.  I assume that it just wouldn’t be financially viable to create a new one similar to the gen 3/4 suits but for Genesis.

A shame.  Ah well, I suppose my superheroes and villains will all just have to be gen 4 then.

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Posted: 11 April 2013 09:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Correct me if this is wrong:

But is it not true that everything can be made DSON compatible by running it through DAZ Studio 4.5?

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Posted: 11 April 2013 10:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Even if it is true that information does not help the pure Poser Users amongst us, but it actually sounds too simplistic to be accurate to me, but then I am not a DS user.

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Posted: 11 April 2013 10:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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wancow - 11 April 2013 09:28 AM

Correct me if this is wrong:

But is it not true that everything can be made DSON compatible by running it through DAZ Studio 4.5?

With maybe a few exceptions, I think that’s true.

And to the OP, it’s not exactly accurate to say that characters like Hitomi, etc., aren’t Poser compatible because they are just morphs for Genesis, so if you install them to Genesis, they automatically show up in Genesis’s dials in Poser. But the materials are still the problem.

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Posted: 11 April 2013 10:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Maybe Daz should consider having a second version of products at a slightly higher price point and make them Poser compatible.

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Posted: 11 April 2013 10:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Dim Reaper - 11 April 2013 08:40 AM

That’s something I didn’t know about the supersuit, so it probably will never be converted.  I assume that it just wouldn’t be financially viable to create a new one similar to the gen 3/4 suits but for Genesis.

A shame.  Ah well, I suppose my superheroes and villains will all just have to be gen 4 then.

just take note that I did say “I think” so it would be nice to get this claified. I will ask in the Supersiut thread later to make sure.

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Posted: 11 April 2013 10:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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TimG - 11 April 2013 10:17 AM

Maybe Daz should consider having a second version of products at a slightly higher price point and make them Poser compatible.

Oooooo…. bring on the cheeze to go with the whine… smile

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Posted: 11 April 2013 10:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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wancow - 11 April 2013 10:23 AM
TimG - 11 April 2013 10:17 AM

Maybe Daz should consider having a second version of products at a slightly higher price point and make them Poser compatible.

Oooooo…. bring on the cheeze to go with the whine… smile

I’m a Studio user - great program. If Daz needs to spend more time and resources to make a product work better for Poser, I don’t think Studio users should have to pay for that. No offense meant to anyone.

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wancow - 11 April 2013 10:23 AM
TimG - 11 April 2013 10:17 AM

Maybe Daz should consider having a second version of products at a slightly higher price point and make them Poser compatible.

Oooooo…. bring on the cheeze to go with the whine… smile

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