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Is Gen 4 on its way out?
Posted: 29 March 2013 07:22 AM   [ Ignore ]
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I ask this because I have a very, very custom designed character on Aiko 4, whom I absolutely adore and who I’ve spent a good few years trying to perfect.

GenX doesn’t work for me very well; mainly due to changes in the face and the ugly bending issues with the body.

So, in short, I want to keep on using Aiko/Victoria 4 instead of Genesis. Is this possible to do, or are vendors going to stop making clothes/props for Gen 4 and focus on Genesis? Since the autofit feature is free, why can’t they make the clothes for Gen 4, and Genesis users can simply…autofit the clothes onto Genesis? I’d love if they brought out an autofit for Gen4…NEVER going to happen, of course, but it’s nice to dream!

So, in short, I’m asking about the life line of Generation 4! Is clinging onto it for dear life an option?

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Posted: 29 March 2013 07:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I think this topic pops up from time to time.  Nah, Gen 4 isn’t on the way out - most new products on other sites are all Gen 4.  You can use whatever generation product you’d like.  Heck, I still use a few Gen 3 products myself.

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Posted: 29 March 2013 07:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Still a lot of items being made of V4/A4 at Renderosity and Runtime DNA. This might fade with time, but that is not certain. People like the G4 characters.

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Posted: 29 March 2013 07:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I’m glad to hear it, to be honest; it’ll be a sad day when they stop making products for Gen 4. I don’t really see any reason to switch to Genesis, to be honest; new clothes, sure, autofit, sure…But to me, that seems like the only appeasing advantage on offer!

I’m glad that renderosity and runtime DNA still support Gen 4, but why doesn’t Daz3D?

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Posted: 29 March 2013 07:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Yes, it’s possible to do.

While some DAZ vendors still support Gen 4, there are not enough products released at DAZ for Gen 4 to justify clinging to Gen 4 IF you want a decent selection of new products.

If you are a PC member, you will find even fewer DAZ Original Gen 4 products released, and even fewer $1.99 priced PC Products. 

If you don’t mind (or like) shopping other stores, you’ll find plenty of new offerings at those stores. 

Genesis does not work well for me in Poser Pro 2012, so abandoning Gen 4 is not an option as it is not an option for others.  However, I have a glut of Gen 4 clothing and character textures, and I can create dynamic clothing in MD2.

Ashfire45 - 29 March 2013 07:22 AM

I ask this because I have a very, very custom designed character on Aiko 4, whom I absolutely adore and who I’ve spent a good few years trying to perfect.

GenX doesn’t work for me very well; mainly due to changes in the face and the ugly bending issues with the body.

So, in short, I want to keep on using Aiko/Victoria 4 instead of Genesis. Is this possible to do, or are vendors going to stop making clothes/props for Gen 4 and focus on Genesis? Since the autofit feature is free, why can’t they make the clothes for Gen 4, and Genesis users can simply…autofit the clothes onto Genesis? I’d love if they brought out an autofit for Gen4…NEVER going to happen, of course, but it’s nice to dream!

So, in short, I’m asking about the life line of Generation 4! Is clinging onto it for dear life an option?

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Posted: 29 March 2013 07:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Use gen4 as long as you like.  There’s nothing that says you HAVE to update to Genesis.  There are plenty of clothing items available for the G4 line, and new products seem to be coming out daily, at least on other sites.  As for DAZ, it makes sense that the vendors here are supporting Genesis over G4, since Genesis is the current flagship character for DAZ.

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Posted: 29 March 2013 07:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Until Genesis will be only fully functional in DS Gen 4 is fine. Just look in other places, where V4 Still hold her regin smile

Oh.. psstt.. try using Autofit on long skirt, and than repeat the sentence smile

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Posted: 29 March 2013 08:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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who hasn’t put years of effort into making V4 into our dream woman - or Aiko3 smile

many more years luvving my magnetless V4. baked in character morphs to make her memory lean. V4 with M4’s uvs. wmV4. V4 to V3. if you add defined hair groups for poser, another V4 obj.

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Posted: 29 March 2013 08:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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I have bought several Gen 4 products recently, there are a few in MM. I bought Emiko and Essence recently and also a couple from Ignis Serpentis.  So no, not even DAZ 3D has abandonned the Gen 4 figs, contrary to speculation from some.rolleyes

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Posted: 29 March 2013 08:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Ashfire45 - 29 March 2013 07:40 AM

I’m glad to hear it, to be honest; it’ll be a sad day when they stop making products for Gen 4. I don’t really see any reason to switch to Genesis, to be honest; new clothes, sure, autofit, sure…But to me, that seems like the only appeasing advantage on offer!

The major advantage is that Genesis is a universal character with a one-size-fits-all wardrobe. As much as I love the Gen4 characters, there’s a huge benefit in being able to use any outfit for any character rather than having to use magnets or special clothing fits if your morph of choice makes Vicky shorter by three centimeters.

There’s still a lot of love and support for the Gen4 characters, but I expect Genesis will become the norm sooner or later. From a buyers perspective, I only need to worry about getting the look I want rather than which character it was made for, and from a sellers perspective they can reach a wider audience with each release.

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Posted: 29 March 2013 08:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Well, I’m glad to hear there’s some universal love for Gen 4 still! I was getting worried I was in a Gen 4 wasteland, surrounded by Genesis users..

But, HeraldOfFire, you’re spot on. I do know that Genesis has a LOT of good features, and the one size fits all wardrobe - excellently phrased, I may add - is the big, big selling point for me. Plus, getting clothes that actually fit to your character, instead of using all the bizzare tricks of the trade….xD However! As someone who uses Daz to render rp/book characters, it’s quite important I get the EXACT look I want for my main gal. Despite all my attempts and tweaks and this and that, Genesis just won’t give me that…So, until the day they stop selling content for Victoria 4, I’ll have to deprive myself of those gorgeous advantages!

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Posted: 29 March 2013 10:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Ashfire45 - 29 March 2013 07:40 AM

I’m glad to hear it, to be honest; it’ll be a sad day when they stop making products for Gen 4. I don’t really see any reason to switch to Genesis, to be honest; new clothes, sure, autofit, sure…But to me, that seems like the only appeasing advantage on offer!

I’m glad that renderosity and runtime DNA still support Gen 4, but why doesn’t Daz3D?

Genesis won’t appeal to everyone based upon the kind of art they do. But the ability to blend every morph you have for Genesis to make new characters is hardly trivial, particularly if you’re into creating unique human characters or sci fi-fantasy characters. The very reason you don’t want to stop using Gen 4 is the exact kind of thing you might have been able to do with Genesis a lot easier, given the right combo of morphs.

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Posted: 29 March 2013 10:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Aiko3 has always been my main figure of choice.  Gen4 never really caught on with me though recently I have appreciated the expressions that come with A4 and G4.  Genesis is my second figure of choice as I feel its what Gen4 should have been and the ability to do male or female makes it a lot cheaper to cloth.  There is nothing wrong with having and using multiple generations of figures.

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Posted: 29 March 2013 10:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Mattymanx - 29 March 2013 10:24 AM

There is nothing wrong with having and using multiple generations of figures.

Excellent manifest, Matt!, I even use Cookie figures in some renders!

I had the same toughts when Aiko3 was replaced with Gen4, I was terrified!!, no more PA providing A3 clothes, no more diversity, Gen4 for me is a difficult figure to morph, but still crying for my beloved A3 and feeling the end of my 3D career [ok, no XD], Genesis was created, with fear I’ve choose her [or him?], was more complex than Gen4!!, but the diversity of morphs got me interested.

Now, I’m happy with the choice using Genesis figures, and Aiko3 is not buried in my runtime, no!, both figures can live happily in my runtime.

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Posted: 29 March 2013 12:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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After Mattymanx and zilvergrafix, all I should say is “me too”...

Gen4, Aiko 3, and Hiro 3 still have their fans, enough so that new freebies are still being created for them. (Not so much for H3, but still…)  And, as far as I know, Genesis doesn’t yet work in 3D Studio or Blender. (Daz Studio and Poser aren’t the be-all and end-all of 3D art, after all.) I can’t see DAZ3D ignoring these markets altogether.

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Posted: 29 March 2013 10:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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HeraldOfFire - 29 March 2013 08:34 AM

The major advantage is that Genesis is a universal character with a one-size-fits-all wardrobe. As much as I love the Gen4 characters, there’s a huge benefit in being able to use any outfit for any character rather than having to use magnets or special clothing fits if your morph of choice makes Vicky shorter by three centimeters.

That’s technically true, but if an outfit doesn’t come with a special shape for the Genesis shape you are using, while it will fit, it tends to look not that much better than whatever methods people were forced to use before. That’s why we have the growing number of tools to solve problems with fitting clothes to Genesis. I’m not saying it’s not a remarkable step forward, of course, just that it didn’t completely solve the problem.

As far as I am concerned, while I wish more vendors I like would support Genesis, I’m not really supporting it myself. Still prefer Gen 4.

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