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Posted: 26 March 2013 02:23 AM   [ Ignore ]
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So, i’m totally loving this set for Genesis… Okay I don’t have it but its on my “must buy when I have funds/work” list, and at the TOP of the list too :D

Was wondering, are the feet also geografted? its kind of listed like it is, but not actually said.

Also , for the geografted items….. well.

As much as I love geograpting, it makes its use with other things limited.

For example if I want a human demoness, and put a human skin on her, and the wings, wouldn’t the wings have a square or circular patch where it replaces the skin on the back? 
With a conforming figure, that connection could have transparency to blend into the skin but I don’t see how that’s possible with the geografting.

So, I thinkt hat means you can only use this set with the supplied textures? Can anyone show me how it looks when genesis has a human texture and the geografted items are not?

thanks very much :D I have much needed demon wings and tail and horns, this is hopefully what I need!!!

Now if only there weren’t bills/taxes to pay T_T

and cute bunny girls too eek must not look!

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Posted: 26 March 2013 08:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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yes, all add-ons geografted, so textures would really need to be customised.

I suppose there’s a couple of ways to approach using a human colourscheme, and it’ll depend how “real” you want the skin to look.

*  do a complete texture set from scratch.

*  re-colour one of the provided texture sets usinf image editing software.

*  set up the bump/displacement/transparency maps without the diffuse/spec maps and manually add the diffuse colours required - that’s what I’ve done in example below because it was quickest smile

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Posted: 26 March 2013 10:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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As above but with addition of Human Surface Shader applied as well…

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Posted: 26 March 2013 11:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Bother, see, this is the draw back and why geografting isn’t good.

I ran into this problem with Rawart’s Gorgon.  Being used to conforming clothing, i thought the tail was something I could use with genesis, and genesis using any skin texture.

Nope. Can ONLY use the ONE texture it comes with.  Banging my head on a wall about that, because I bought it to JUST use the taiil and my own textures, and I can’t use it that way.  A purchase that i can’t use.

Nothing wrong with that, but I do think that vendors need to say on the sale page something about this new limitation. 
And yes, it’s a limitation.  With a conforming item you can use the wings and genesis in combination with any genesis texture. TONS of options.  I appreciate the several options in this set, but I’m frustrated that I can’t use the textures i already have. 

Its a drawback to geografting and glad I asked, because i would have cried not being able to use it with my own textures.  Unless I combined and doctored them.

perhaps future versions can have texture layer with LIE, that would allow the user to merge the textures over their own human skins??

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Posted: 26 March 2013 01:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I have had the exact same problems as you, with both Popobawa and the Gorgon. It’s not the merchants’ fault (as you said, it’s because of geografting), but I also wish that these sorts of things would be mentioned in the product’s description.

I think I have three recent purchases that I may not be able to use because I cannot customize them as I need to. I won’t return them because they’re not faulty or of low quality, but I’m getting more reluctant to make purchases, on sale or not, unless I learn more about the item.

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Posted: 26 March 2013 01:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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SnowSultan - 26 March 2013 01:03 PM

I have had the exact same problems as you, with both Popobawa and the Gorgon. It’s not the merchants’ fault (as you said, it’s because of geografting), but I also wish that these sorts of things would be mentioned in the product’s description.

I think I have three recent purchases that I may not be able to use because I cannot customize them as I need to. I won’t return them because they’re not faulty or of low quality, but I’m getting more reluctant to make purchases, on sale or not, unless I learn more about the item.

Exactly, the quality is there, they’re lovely, but we are ALL used to conforming items that let us mix and match.
Geografting is a cool idea for some things but not when it ruins all your options :( AND i really do think vendors need to tell us when that’s the case, especially it being so new.  I do like gorgon, but being so incredibly limited, I wish I’d gotten something else, like maybe the severed man or the lizardian.  I had 2 thigns I wanted to use the gorgon for, and can’t use it for either one. AUGH.  So in a way that’s wasted money. :(
I rather wonder if I can take gorgon tail, and change it to a conforming item and make transparency on it, then it won’t be sitting unused in my runtime. But that is a freaking lot of work, and at the point I might as well use the morphing python or something.  Sigh.

And stinks…. I still really want this adorable popobawa set, but the nature of geografting makes it extremely limited. I’m starting to shy away from geografted things myself now. :(

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Posted: 26 March 2013 06:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I’d also hoped that the Gorgon would have separate mat zones for skin and scales, with the skin able to take any torso texture.  As is, it’s much less useful than I’d expected.

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Posted: 26 March 2013 08:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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I love the concept & quality of geo-grafting but I usually prefer conformers for the versatility as well.  I’d rather have more options and have to deal with fixing the minor gaps or issues that may occur. The entire reason I love genesis so much is for the versatility.  I like the characters I create to feel like my own creations not cookie cutter templates.  We can do a lot of work editing materials but at that point I might prefer to just make the entire item from scratch.  It’s a shame there is not a better solution.

I don’t like asking for refunds either but I would not feel bad if the product does not work as you expected it to and if your not going to use it.  If I was a merchant I would much rather have a customer get a refund for a product then not be happy and hesitate to purchase more in the future. They should add a warning for any characters that don’t work with other skins. 

 

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Posted: 27 March 2013 12:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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There’s something else that potential buyers of Popobawa should know: the wings and the wing bones share the same material zone. This isn’t a problem if you want both the wings and the bones that support them to be the same color and opacity, but if you wanted them different colors or to use different surface settings…yeah.

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Posted: 27 March 2013 01:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Thanks for the information. I was considering buying this.

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Posted: 27 March 2013 02:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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SnowSultan - 27 March 2013 12:09 AM

There’s something else that potential buyers of Popobawa should know: the wings and the wing bones share the same material zone. This isn’t a problem if you want both the wings and the bones that support them to be the same color and opacity, but if you wanted them different colors or to use different surface settings…yeah.

At least there’s the polygon group editor, I suppose you could color the wing bones and make it a new mat file. 

But I agree.  I wish I could swap the gorgon for a different character. I hate being so limited.  I love the way genesis can do SO SO much but but geografting in some ways is step backwards.  some things I truly love, i love deep aquatic genesis, but that has its own limitations- such as not being able to select which parts to use or not use (because the texture is onlly on the geografted figure, not on all of genesis, so without the geografted hands/feet/fin there are large white spots on Genesis in those areas.  Stilll love it, just as I think Gorgon is pretty cool, and Popobawa and catgirl and bunny girl and elephant man and all are super cool. Just saying that its highly limited in what it can be used for, and therefore vendors should know know they are less useful that way.

I do think its important to start telling customers about things like that.  Many times we buy soemthing saying, “ooh, i want to use this texture, but on a different product”  or “oh i want to use this tail, and that one’s wings” which was all completely possible and widely known customization when items were conforming.

Now that its geografted people loose that ability and are very likely to get frustrated.

now wouldn’t it be neat if items had an either or option? to conform it OR geograft it? and came with transparency textures?

I know that’s probably not an option, but wish it was, because in some ways the geografting is a step backwards for Genesis versatility.

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Posted: 27 March 2013 02:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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I don’t know how much extra work it would be to produce both geo-grafted and conforming versions but I would love that.  I will eventually find out as I’m trying to learn all that stuff.

I came up with a possible work around to use any skin texture with the Gorgon tail.  I just render the scene two times, one with the tail attached and 1 with it not attached.  Then composite the two renders in an image editor.  You can even try to feather the transition or cut around the scales for a different look.  This might not work for everyone or be the best solution but I think it will work for my needs in many cases.  Although I would not want to have to do 2 renders if I use Reality/LUX!

Severed Man seems to work really well on anything from my tests so far.  I was a bit disappointed with Cyclops that one seems really limited for shapes and textures. 

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Posted: 27 March 2013 03:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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I didn’t find it particularly difficult to retexture the Gorgon tail to match other textures.

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Posted: 27 March 2013 03:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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scorpio64dragon - 27 March 2013 03:48 AM

I didn’t find it particularly difficult to retexture the Gorgon tail to match other textures.

Sadly I lack your painting ability.

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Posted: 27 March 2013 04:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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scorpio64dragon - 27 March 2013 03:48 AM

I didn’t find it particularly difficult to retexture the Gorgon tail to match other textures.

Oh, I like that. smile

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Posted: 27 March 2013 06:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Turning a GeoGraft into a plain conformer should just be a question of deleting the groups - the autohide on Genesis and the graft group on the item itself - and saving as a new Figure Asset I think, but I haven’t tried this. Then you’d of course need to hide bits of Genesis and apply a fade-out transmap to the former graft to blend it with the skin.

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