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Posted: 23 May 2012 04:32 PM   [ Ignore ]
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I am interested in this product:
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/mortella-for-v4
But I would like to know where I can find the dress she is wearing?
It would be great if products had Related products listed somewhere with the product we are viewing.
Thank you!:cheese:

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Posted: 23 May 2012 10:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I believe the dress is from Rendo - although I could be wrong. 

edit - I’m wrong! :oops:

Here’s a discussion about the dress:
http://forumarchive.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=96390&highlight=mortella+dress

Turns out it was something that Arien modelled specifically for Maelwenn to use on the character.  But there are some great alternatives listed in the thread.

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Posted: 24 May 2012 05:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Hey thanks so much for the link! Lots of folks were wanting that dress..but sadly it is unavailable. Thanks so much for this info! I will just move on to other things *sigh*
Cheers! smile

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Posted: 24 May 2012 05:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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not a problem.  it’s a bit of a shame the dress isn’t available, maybe someone will make another one day.

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Posted: 26 May 2012 02:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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according to that thread, the dress could be found here: https://www.cyclopsstudio.com/Freebies.html

But I can’t seem to access the website.

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Posted: 26 May 2012 03:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Yes I can not access it either

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Posted: 26 May 2012 09:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Towards the bottom of page 2 on that archived thread, I posted a link and image to a chair I made as a freebie. I used the Pharoah of The Sun dress and painted in the spidery tails, plus a transparency map from one of Chohole’s sets. http://chohole.ovbi.org/page_2.htm

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Posted: 27 May 2012 08:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Yeah I saw the link to that chair and went and got it! Great chair and thanks for giving it away..it is beautiful! Good idea for the dress too..I may just have to get her and use that idea..thank you so much for this info! smile

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Posted: 10 June 2012 05:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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wancow - 26 May 2012 02:25 PM

according to that thread, the dress could be found here: https://www.cyclopsstudio.com/Freebies.html

But I can’t seem to access the website.

Nope, I never released the dress anywhere, so whatever was at that site, it’s not the Mortella Dress.

The difficulties with releasing it is that it was done specifically for Mortella’s bodyshape, and UVmapped accordingly. To be released to the public I would need to reshape it to V4, add the Mortella shape as a morph, probably add a few morphs, re-map it to be something more suitable for the average shape, then start dealing with the setup necessary to keep the spidery bits semi-rigid. Then probably also rig it to avoid disappointment for Studio users. And rigging for something that tight would probably be near-impossible to get right.

It’s not something that I can honestly say I’ve had the time to do since I originally made it. I’ve done similar work for the V4 version of the Cherubim Dress for one of the Christmas giveaways, and it was quite a bit of work, without the re-mapping or re-texturing, so I am familiar with the time it would take.

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Posted: 10 June 2012 07:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Thanks for your reply Arien..it is just that the dress really makes the figure that was being promoted so it is a bit of a bummer :(
I realize there is alot of work that goes into something like that..perhaps maybe they should have promoted her wearing something that was obtainable.
It was a nice dress but not on the market…

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Posted: 10 June 2012 07:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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digitell - 10 June 2012 07:31 AM

Thanks for your reply Arien..it is just that the dress really makes the figure that was being promoted so it is a bit of a bummer :(
I realize there is alot of work that goes into something like that..perhaps maybe they should have promoted her wearing something that was obtainable.
It was a nice dress but not on the market…

Well, the problem with custom body morphs is the lack of support. Back when Maelwenn was working on her, she was going for a toon character that had the whole Elvira/Morticia vibe going on, and it’s well known that I am an unrepented goth so I found the idea quite appealing. She needed something to put on the character and I whipped out the dress in a few hours, so she could get promos done. At the moment she made the character and the promos, NOTHING OUT THERE FITTED HER because the morph is, if I remember correctly, 100% original, not dialed, or at least it uses a custom body morph for the general shape, so whatever she had used, it would still not be available. But that’s the nature of the beast with original morphs, unless at the same time you partner with a cloth maker and have something done to fit, as she did with Luthbel and me for Valeria, or Surreality did for a couple of her Warrior Maidens, partnering with 4Blueyes and me. With such an extreme shape this is even more so, and of course, back then Morphing Clothes was also not available.

Neither of us expected the dress would get the amount of attention it got, and it took both of us quite by surprise! We were expecting some fits would come for existing items to approximate it, I guess. Back then I did ask DAZ whether they would be interested in me finishing it off, but since it’s dynamic and Poser only, and historically the market for simple dynamics is quite small, they declined, understandably.

I can check whether I still have the original mesh and put it up AS IS, with no V4 fit, only for Mortella, and leave the annoyances of decorated groups to someone else… I’d probably just triangulate the mesh to get better dynamics and that’s it, and in that case yes, I could make it available. But that does sound a bit like a cop-out, and it would still not work on anything other than Mortella. :( And of course, this would leave out any Carrara, Vue or DAZ Studio user too. That’s why I haven’t released it, because the potential users would be so limited.

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Posted: 10 June 2012 08:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Well I certainly would be interested in the dress for Mortella if it was to come on the market. I was strongly considering buying her without the dress because there is always other options..however..that dress really makes her IMO!
Perhaps you should get with the creator of her and do a bundle type thing, like some of the other toons come with clothing that only fits that toon?? Do’nt know if that is possible or not or if Daz would even allow it.
I can certainly understand why you have not wished to do anymore with it since it is dynamic and dynamic just is not that popular and there is so much that goes into creating such a product..it is alot of work that just would not pay for itself in the long run…it was just a disappointment to many of us that the dress that was shown on the promo was not available to give her” that look!”..I love the goth and it would be soooo cool ( but alot of work I know ) to create a series of “similar” Adams characters.
I bet they would sell like hot cakes..especially around Halloween time! Thanks again for writing..I appreciate it much! wink

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Posted: 10 June 2012 09:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Well, we sort of tried before release, as I said above… Mortella was released as a PA product originally and back then I asked DAZ, DAZ said no to the dress (with good reason, I have to say, as dynamics for Poser didn’t sell well). Right now Mortella is a DAZ Original, so the bundle would be out of the question.

Again, if it helps people, I will be happy to release the OBJ into the wild as a freebie, on the understanding that it does have its limitations… it’s not unheard of people not releasing some small items as freebies simply because the amount of time that the support for them eats up, combined with the dissapointment of things not working for a big segment of the market can’t offset the goodwill. I’ve released items requiring RTE before and it’s been the case for those, sadly… way too much time spent explaining to people how to decore, or why the decoding was needed, that prevents me from doing actual work.

But I’m stubborn, so I’d be happy to try again. On the condition that if the support requests overwhelm me (that is, if it’s more trouble to keep it available than it’s worth), I might have to remove it. Does that work for you?

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Posted: 10 June 2012 09:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Well yes that works for me very much indeed! I mean you cant get any better than Free! That is very generous of you to put effort at all into providing it for free and I appreciate it very much and I am sure there are others who will appreciate it as well..if they happen to even find out about it.
Many, many thanks to you! smile

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Posted: 10 June 2012 05:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Sounds like even trying to port the character morph over with Gen X would be dicy.


If one could do it, it would probably solve some of the problem, though. I doubt that all Genesis clothing would work on her, but some of it would.

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Posted: 10 June 2012 05:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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If it could be done, it would sort out the clothing availability, although with Studio Pro 3, I think they already had an earlier version of Morph Follower. The clothes WILL distort because of the morph being so extreme… think a teensy prrinted tshirt stretching a LOT over the bust and hips but shrinking at the waist, but it would still be usable. In any case, back when this was released, it wasn’t an option.

On the other hand, if you can manage to translate Mortella to Genesis, you’d still not have the exact same dress available for the resulting character, as there is no conforming version of it, and Poser dynamics are not suitable for use in Studio.

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