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since when is speculating or wishful thinking forbidden at daz place?
Posted: 11 March 2013 10:19 AM   [ Ignore ]
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since when is speculating or wishful thinking forbidden at daz place?

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Posted: 11 March 2013 12:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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When it is presented as fact, potentially confusing readers who don’t have the poster’s measure.

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Posted: 11 March 2013 01:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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think it’s more my bad english writting that ‘s confusing.
but we’ll learn everyday smile

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Posted: 11 March 2013 05:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I used to work for a software company and yes they are paranoid about discussing “next releases” and “new features”. When I read your other post I thought “yep, somebody’s going to have a go at that”.

Don’t take it personally, its just good business wink

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Posted: 17 March 2013 04:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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fixme12 - 11 March 2013 10:19 AM

since when is speculating or wishful thinking forbidden at daz place?

If DAZ even thinks it might be critical of their policies or procedures, you can be certain they’ll scrub it, and likely send you a nasty-gram, as well.

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Posted: 17 March 2013 05:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Really ????????????????

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Posted: 17 March 2013 05:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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fixme12 - 11 March 2013 10:19 AM

since when is speculating or wishful thinking forbidden at daz place?

If DAZ even thinks it might be critical of their policies or procedures, you can be certain they’ll scrub it, and likely send you a nasty-gram, as well.

Yep

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Posted: 17 March 2013 05:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Perhaps “certain” isn’t the right word—“likely” or “very likely” might be more accurate.

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Posted: 17 March 2013 06:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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DAZ 3D is big enough to accept critcism, but when unsubstantiated speculation is presented as fact then it is misleading and therefore totally inaccurate.

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Posted: 17 March 2013 06:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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chohole - 17 March 2013 06:07 AM

DAZ 3D is big enough to accept critcism, but when unsubstantiated speculation is presented as fact then it is misleading and therefore totally inaccurate.

That’s a laugh. DAZ is THE most thin-skinned and overly-sentsitive company I’ve ever dealt with—ask around, and you’ll find that I’m far from the only person who holds that opinion. I’ve had issues from time to time with the other 3D markets, like Renderosity and Runtime DNA and Content Paradise, and NONE of them come across as high-handed, uncommunicative, or inflexible as DAZ does. Something changed at DAZ this past year—I dunno what, but it’s not good, and if the things I’ve read and the things I’ve been told are to be believed, it’s cost them a lot of PC members and a lot of lost revenue in subscriptions and sales.

DAZ’s admins regularly scrub posts that question or critique its actions and decisions—hardly “big enough to accept criticism”. God forbid a little honest dissent intrude into the sanitized facade they try to maintain.

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Posted: 17 March 2013 06:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Sarsifus - 17 March 2013 06:15 AM
chohole - 17 March 2013 06:07 AM

DAZ 3D is big enough to accept critcism, but when unsubstantiated speculation is presented as fact then it is misleading and therefore totally inaccurate.

That’s a laugh. DAZ is THE most thin-skinned and overly-sentsitive company I’ve ever dealt with—ask around, and you’ll find that I’m far from the only person who holds that opinion. I’ve had issues from time to time with the other 3D markets, like Renderosity and Runtime DNA and Content Paradise, and NONE of them come across as high-handed, uncommunicative, or inflexible as DAZ does. Something changed at DAZ this past year—I dunno what, but it’s not good, and if the things I’ve read and the things I’ve been told are to be believed, it’s cost them a lot of PC members and a lot of lost revenue in subscriptions and sales.

DAZ’s admins regularly scrub posts that question or critique its actions and decisions—hardly “big enough to accept criticism”. God forbid a little honest dissent intrude into the sanitized facade they try to maintain.

I totally agree with this.

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Posted: 17 March 2013 06:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Is this going anywhere besides the gutter? If you have complaints, then make them. Venomous posts like this just inflame people on both sides with nothing constructive coming out of it. The majority of removed criticism posts tended to be duplicates of existing threads. Contrary to popular belief, we don’t really need twelve threads on the same topic as happened late last year.

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Posted: 17 March 2013 07:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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HeraldOfFire, we do make complaints and we are jumped on for doing so (see your own post) and yes it will get us nowhere. I will simply say that it is not constructive of you or anyone else to jump to Daz’s defense and claim that those who make a complaint should not. There are legitimate issues/problems that people are having here and these forums were supposed to be where we could come for help or to let our voices be heard. So if it takes 12 threads for it to be heard then it takes 12 threads.

I am being turned off by everything I am seeing and that is not good for Daz as I am a paying customer. I still stay because I hope that things can turn around and become more like it once was.

I have poser 2012 and Daz 4.5 and I can say that I am a Daz user and that is why I voice my concerns and yes complaints. I love the software and the wonderful products that are made for it. What I don’t like is the lousy attitude that as customers a lot have been subjected to.

This is JMO and I believe that I have the option to voice it.

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Posted: 17 March 2013 07:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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DAZ 3D staff rarely read the forums, so, whether there is one or 12 threads on the same subject, it is doubtful that they are actually seeing the criticism that is being leveled at them. You should remember that the forums are here for the forum members, not for DAZ 3D Staff. So the only people you are expressing your feeling to are other forum members.

When criticism posted in the forums contains inaccuracies or assigns inaccurate and potentially damaging unsubstantiated speculaltive thoughts as fact, then it will indeed be removed.

It has been said many times that if you have something that you feel the need to communicate to DAZ 3D, then you do need to contact DAZ 3D to do that, by using the support system.

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Posted: 17 March 2013 07:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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In my own experience, complaining only makes others defensive. Asking to find ways to make things better or how one may help usually lead to a more positive response.

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Posted: 17 March 2013 08:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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HeraldOfFire - 17 March 2013 06:56 AM

Is this going anywhere besides the gutter? If you have complaints, then make them. Venomous posts like this just inflame people on both sides with nothing constructive coming out of it. The majority of removed criticism posts tended to be duplicates of existing threads. Contrary to popular belief, we don’t really need twelve threads on the same topic as happened late last year.

Thanks for proving my point—this ISN’T venomous, it’s truth. Fixme12 asked a very appropriate question, and I gave him a very honest and accurate answer.

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