Carrara is not free software, and the beta is now only available to people who have bought the paid for version of C 8, so it is not counted as a free program.
And before someone says that Poser isn’t free; we allow Poser because at the time the rules were set up, Poser was the more popular program and we would be excluding a large portion of forumites. If Carrara becomes more popular than either DAZ Studio or Poser; we MAY consider adding it to the list.
Ah dear. Poser has been free in the past, and was at one time the only program you could use to do this sort of thing as an amateur of limited means. It has been left as an acceptable program because otherwise we would be barring 50% of DAZ 3D members from entering. It is a politic rule to still allow the program that most of us actually started with and at least 50% of us still use.
AFAIK there has not been a free version of Carrara, unless it was a very limited trial version with an end date on it. Certainly a beta version cannot be counted as a free version, because the idea of a beta, whether it is a private or a public beta is for users to bug test it and report the bugs, not to just use it as a non paid for program.
I see. I have bought Poser first, in a pro version. It was around $250-300. Then someone said I should try DAZ Studio. I left Poser Pro behind quickly, because Genesis is so versatile, and I like it more. You know how much I paid for DAZ Studio Pro when it was still commercial? But recently it was my decision to move to Carrara. Why? Because it is compatible with my DAZ content, has Dynamic hair, it was somewhat affordable at that time, yes in around $250-300 range. And because I hate hunting for props when I would need a simple shelf, etc. something even I can do with my near 0 skills. It saves time.
Noone said it is free. I want to use 8.5 beta, because I have that installed. Why? Because I want to use Genesis content. The contests are interesting because we can learn from it. But if I want to get used to Carrara (still pretty new to me), and feedback and criticism is important for this part as well. You explain why you let people use Poser. I still have that on my PC. I would use same free models, same place for lights, dynamic hair, etc. for same scene. It would be allowed. But it wouldn’t let me learn Carrara.
Back when I first came here, we had a PC contest where we had a chance to win $25 of gift certificate. And as in last weeks my renders got better, I hoped to use contest for feedback about my “art”. But I was informed that contest is no longer running “but” we have this one. Your Facebook contest ended, and was dominated by real pro-s.
Too bad, for PC inspiration contests are limited in scope, and is hard to use for learning, and starts with an extra purchase. So we ran out of good and fun contests where I can learn.
So when I moved to your flagship product I essentially got blocked from the contests where I can learn, and worse than that DAZ forum staff jumps on me because Carrara isn’t free.
I dare to say if your courtesy is extended towards people who use software from competitors, but you offer none but attacks for people who buy *your* products and want to participate in contest to learn then something is wrong here.
At this point I am going to split this conversation out of the Freebie challenge thread.
Enerla I am sorry you saw my comments as offensive, it was merely a statement of fact. and not meant to be in any way an attack on anyone or any particular software, nor of the people that use it.
The freebie challenge is run by a team of volunteers who do this for fun. It is not a contest that is run by DAZ 3D Forum Team members.
We are not connected in any way with the PC Inspirations contests.
Also please note that as member of the Forum Team I am also a volunteer, not a member of DAZ 3D staff. When I am posting in the freebie challenge thread it is accepted that there I am simply one of the freebie challenge team.
Still, as you see the key problem is the same. And when you accept paid content and plug ins, being “nonfree” is a strange reason to block Carrara. Stating it is “one of the 3 paid piece you can use” would look far more fair. And if you are a member of the team, you could see why it is a problem and it can influence the contest in the future.
Of course there is one more thing to add. As I love Roleplaying games (pen and paper variety), I also own a few “map making apps” to use with them. Back when I still used DAZ studio, I explained how can I use maps created with Fractal Terrains (and bump maps / displacement maps created in same program) with DAZ Studio. Of course I am sure we can import such maps to Bryce and / or Carrara as well. But when I had to explain that, I decided to make a small image. It is super simple. But as you see it is assembled from 4 primitives, comes with displacement map, etc.
If I throw a few primitives in the scene to make some custom stuff and do it in DAZ Studio, it will be on render, I can explain how I done it, etc. but can’t really export it. Even if I stick by your rules and use a lot of freebies and only a few paid stuff, custom stuff can make things interesting.
But the moment I do that, most of the custom work is lost to others, as I doubt if it can be efficiently turned into a freebie and shared. I lose on chances to reuse the content. And I couldn’t refine my Carrara skills and wouldn’t get relevant feedback, which is a thing I need most.
Of course I can use interesting stuff in DAZ Studio with some camera plug ins to create displacement maps (good paid content).
On the other hand, if someone would just post some renders with enough free content, and not much paid content, links to free content, etc, most wouldn’t yell “but it was done in Carrara”. Would you look for signs of that normally? Probably no.
Asking about it, and seeing it similar to paid apps, paid plug ins, paid renderers, etc. is fair. But the key side effect is: Any custom stuff can be exported and can help fellow DAZ users as a freebie.
You do know about this Forum don’t you? http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewforum/66/
It’s all Carrara all the time. And is just for all the reasons you pointed out, Feedback and learning. You have also mentioned you have Poser and Daz Studio Pro, why not use one of them to enter the FreeBe Contest and win yourself a prize? I’m a Sponsor and it would not bother me one bit if you won a prize and spent every penny of it on new Carrara only content.
And just so you know I do not work for Daz3D either. I’m also a volunteer helper.
Sadly while that place is for discussions tied to Carrara it isn’t the same thing as a contest. In a contest a lot of people start from same starting point, etc. and items are comparable, we can learn how to end up with something better and there is far more feedback.
And while I can use other software to enter the contest, that wouldn’t help me to refine my Carrara skills. And as I am far from an expert at this time, I doubt if it would get my a prize, but if I go back to other tools it would only confuse me while I learn Carrara.
Okay, I understand that. If only more Carrara users felt the same. I’ve been a Daz Member for over 4 years and not one Carrara contest has been successful so far. If I could help you and others I would.
Carrara is a completely different type of program to DS or Poser, as it does actually do so much more. At least when we say DS or Poser can be used then people are on a equal footing. Bryce needs either DS or Poser as a starting point from which to get DAZ 3D content into a scene, so again not as fully figured as Carrara.
We do allow people own creations, but they need to be distributed freely somewhere, so everybody has the chance to use them as a freebie, which is the main point of the freebie challenge. In it’s very first iteration it was all freebie content, no purchased items at all. It was started to prove the point that people did not need to spend oodles of money in order to create renders. This changed over time, most radically when DAZ 3D introduced a price for their base figures, which led to the “No Count” rule being added.
BTW the New Users Contest does allow the use of Carrara. Have you investigated that one. It is a two part contest, meant to be a learning challenge. The CV team debate the theme for the month, and you start off in a WIP thread, where you can get feedback and helpful hints to improve your render, and then once you think it is as good as it is going to get, then you enter it into the contest thread.
And another BTW, although there are a few of us who do use Bryce as the final stage for our freebie challenge entries, a pure Bryce contest in NU, whilst getting a lot of interest at the WIP stages, only produced 5 final entries at the end of the month. The more general contests attract far more attention, and there are prizes at the end of the contest, as DAZ 3D sponsors, as do the PAs. so every month a PA will offer a prize for the winners.
There are also a few Carrara renders being entered into the StoneMason contest in the Commons
I think we should get all the Cowrarra users to post Cowrarra Renders in the freebie challenge every month. You could get the feedback you want and Cowrarra could get the exposure it wants.
Just be sure to mark them as Not Entries (or state “Rendered in Cowrarra” and let them disqualify it) (Rules are made to be broken, after all ) (I well remember MuscleMan’s contest where the theme was “Power” - make an image depicting Power however you want - so I rendered a Cow or something and said it depicted my Power to Ignore his rules!).
Plus, as chohole said - there are always plenty of other contests out there.
Let them Fear Cowrarra! Let them exile it from their competitions and give their flimsy excuses! WE all know they live in constant fear that Cowrarra renders would be too good and nobody else would stand a chance!
They tremble at the very Mooing of the name Cowrarra!!
And once The Millennium Cow is released as a Cowrarra Exclusive, and DAZ Officially changes the program’s name to Cowrarra, they will all abandon their copies of DAZ Studio, Poser, and even Bryce. THEN they’ll have no choice but to allow us into their little club!