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Posted: 01 March 2013 08:13 AM   [ Ignore ]
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I have to ask is there a point to it? With 95% of the carrara users using/posting in the carrara section of the DAZ forum is there any reason to have the carraracafe?

The forum design/function is archaic, login is confusing,  posting is a flashback to the forums of 20 years ago, and no one it there.

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Posted: 01 March 2013 09:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Is there a point to ANY OF US existing…? Maybe we should all go away if we cannot answer why we are here or what purpose we serve…. hmmm

The gallery is better than here (IS there a gallery here?)

and it is curated with articles, news, plugin updates, and tutorials from all over…. None of those features are here.

There is a growing FREEBIE section there (the Carrara freepository forum at DAZ was removed).

The forums there are a little lacking in features, so I assume you are talking specifically about the forums? They could be beefed up certainly.

Another problem is (I believe) the people involved there are not native English speakers and there are many typos and misspellings…

Another thing I find annoying is Cafe attempted to organize like Carrara’s interface, so the forums are broken up into arbitrary “rooms” for discussion…. Spline Modeller does not really need its own forum—meanwhile In my opinion the Hair Modeller COULD use its own forum… The organization of Cafe - at least in the forums seems really arbitrary to forums…. It should be arranged around the way we TALK about Carrara, not arround the program’s interface…. How can you do ANYTHING in Carrara without involving several of the rooms at once?

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Posted: 01 March 2013 09:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Well…At least its something…

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Posted: 01 March 2013 09:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Yes Holly, my point is the forum. Certainly there are things there for carrara you wont find here, but something you will find here and not there are people. It’s like throwing and party no one shows up for, or setting up a banquet for 100 people and only 5 show up.

If the carraracafe is for us carraraest to carry on conversions with out being under DAZ’s very watchful eyes. Some safe place from Studio fanisiam, why is everyone still posting here? 

So what about the site is putting people off, and can we change it?

For me, as I stated the login is confusing at best, and the forum itself is rather archaic in design and function.
Another thing I have often wondered about on the DAZ sites is why there seems to be a complete lake of artistry in the site appearance. As an example of what i mean look at the LOTRO forum site http://forums.lotro.com/forumlist.php

Now a while back I did render for the carraracafe header. It’s some of my better work. What they have now just looks sad. I never entered because I couldn’t get the steam rising from the cup like I wanted.

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Posted: 01 March 2013 10:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I won’t argue aesthetics… Your pic is nice but has absolutely nothing to do with how Carrara actually looks… I made an attempt on my own site to come up with a logo that incorporated the Carrara icon—but of course the Carrara icon itself is inconsistent between Mac and PC. The Mac version still uses the original Carrara chiseled cube… The PC version uses something that I can’t describe and I don’t care for anyway, but I’m old school like that. The Cafe logo is cute like a low-bit game or something…. Your suggested logo is like an art deco diner…

*shrug* it all seems pretty arbitrary. No one is in charge and it’s a free-for-all. Even the “official” logo is confused.

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Posted: 01 March 2013 10:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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As far as the forums at Cafe… I’d like to see some html formatting tags… So it is easier to embed images and youtubes… make some BOLD and ITALICS. Change the font size… etc. There is no way to upload an image into Cafe’s forum, so you have to host elsewhere… If you don’t have your own site, that can be a real pain, especially if all you want to show is a screen grab or WIP you wouldn’t care to post in a public gallery…

A little TLC would go a long way.

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Posted: 01 March 2013 10:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Oh yes change the font size please lol

“Your suggested logo is like an art deco diner… ” holly wetcircuit

Good, that was what I was going for. :D

I have a sort of private gallery. I do some game alpha/beta testing, so I need something that will work with in an NDA.

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Posted: 01 March 2013 10:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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I’m starting a thread there for hair and fur… what I find annoying is there are too many subforums named “General”—more than 1 of any forum with the same name is too many…

What is the difference between GENERAL DISCUSSION—GENERAL and TIPS TRICKS AND DOUBTS—GENERAL…?

The very structure of the forums there is user-UNfriendly and confusing. Seriously, all you have to do is pick some sample forum threads here at random and ask yourself which forum they would belong to at Cafe. I bet you would hesitate… Beyond some fancy header logo, not having obvious places to put and find things makes the whole forum there a turn-off.

I call it SUB-FORUM-ITUS… tongue wink

Most forums also give Newbies an easy place to start by giving them a NEWBIE subforum—that’s where the most frequent starter questions can go, and people who are just starting can get the basics without getting confused by more advanced topics… If you are just starting out, would you even KNOW what part of the interface a question belongs to?

There is also a forum drop down menu there that lists like 5 or 6 plugin category threads but not the most recent threads in all topics… It just doesn’t make any user sense. Little wonder people don’t post or reply there…. It’s difficult to find anything. Even my OWN thread I started last night, I had to hunt a few minutes to find where I put it….

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Posted: 01 March 2013 11:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Ive found the Cafe very good. and at least its another site for people to hear about Carrara.

Do you look for things to have a go at that have Carrara in there name, here’s one for you its SO bad they’ve even forgot to mention the software at all http://www.carraramarble.co.uk/ hmmm....

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Posted: 01 March 2013 11:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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petef - 01 March 2013 11:04 AM

Ive found the Cafe very good. and at least its another site for people to hear about Carrara.

Do you look for things to have a go at that have Carrara in there name, here’s one for you its SO bad they’ve even forgot to mention the software at all http://www.carraramarble.co.uk/ hmmm....

LOL, keep goggling… When you get to the Carrara chastity belts, well, let’s just say it is an eye-opener! big surprise

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Posted: 01 March 2013 11:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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grrrHolly why do you go and make me do a search,  that is so Nasty and they look really uncomfortable. 

Off to bleach my eyes now….. big surprise

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Posted: 01 March 2013 11:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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As a newbie at CarraraCafe, I don’t have the history, but I believe that the Forums are technically bad because it is a free package that ships with Wordpress, while you need a little money to upgrade to a proper forum software package compatible with Wordpress. So it is a money thing…
Just fired off an email to the colleagues, lets hope for the best.

Since this Carrara forum At Daz works well, I have personally focused on other content for Carrara, like adding more news, tutorials, downloads, freebies and so on, which is the point of CarraraCafe. There are very few other Carrara fan-sites with Carrara content…

ManStan, you are welcome to contribute in any way, images, animations, tutorials, whatever Carrara related.

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Posted: 01 March 2013 11:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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3drendero - 01 March 2013 11:20 AM

As a newbie at CarraraCafe, I don’t have the history, but I believe that the Forums are technically bad because it is a free package that ships with Wordpress, while you need a little money to upgrade to a proper forum software package compatible with Wordpress. So it is a money thing…
Just fired off an email to the colleagues, lets hope for the best.

Since this Carrara forum At Daz works well, I have personally focused on other content for Carrara, like adding more news, tutorials, downloads, freebies and so on, which is the point of CarraraCafe. There are very few other Carrara fan-sites with Carrara content…

Thanks 3Drendero… In the past I had offered to help with the site since I have like a decade of experience with Wordpress. I submitted an article, but never had the ability to fix the various typos or formatting throughout the site. I understand if they want to keep the admin to themselves to prevent too many cooks in the kitchen, but I feel they might need the occaisional influx of fresh eyes…

I’m sure if there is a better forum plugin that requires money we could raise the funds for a one-time purchase… I definitely see the use of having a differentiated site with a much slower (and less troll-y) forum than here.

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Posted: 01 March 2013 08:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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I think we probably had the most posting going on over there back when someone got banned and the censorship here grew to ridiculous proportions.
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You’re right, the layout is pretty bad.
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I started a thread about keeping the cafe alive sometime ago, but I’m at a loss of how to get people over there.

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Posted: 01 March 2013 10:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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                          I think the site of cafe is fine for the posting of news and galleries. It could use a little facelift here and there but really It’s pretty nice and yes thanks Daz and 3drendero for giving us this spot and for 3drendero for updating it.  They did not have to do that and do not have to—-so lets figure ways to make it—-“the” Carrara spot it is supposed to be.

                          Yes , the forums have to be a little better organized ......and they look kind of simplistic but that should not stop folks from posting over there. I need to myself and will start going there daily.  If everyone took that step we could shift momentum over there. And if it was my site I would have a folder just for bitch festing. Let everyone who for some reason see the glass half full or who feel they do not even have a glass that day —post away an say their ideas and thoughts as they have the right to . Revel in the muck as it were . Venting and feeling good about their venting but in a closed room . Smiles. This way the rest of the forum world could go about the business more focused of learning, asking questions , and posting images and animations and getting better with Carrara.  Smiles .

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Posted: 02 March 2013 05:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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holly wetcircuit - 01 March 2013 11:41 AM

Thanks 3Drendero… In the past I had offered to help with the site since I have like a decade of experience with Wordpress. I submitted an article, but never had the ability to fix the various typos or formatting throughout the site. I understand if they want to keep the admin to themselves to prevent too many cooks in the kitchen, but I feel they might need the occaisional influx of fresh eyes…

I’m sure if there is a better forum plugin that requires money we could raise the funds for a one-time purchase… I definitely see the use of having a differentiated site with a much slower (and less troll-y) forum than here.

Emailed a question if the seniors at CarraraCafe can set you up with site access, let us hope for the best.

The forum problem needs money for an upgrade, there are 3 options:
-Ask Daz
-Ask for donations
-Join the Daz affiliate program, not sure if this would generate money though

Awaiting feedback from the colleagues on how to proceed.

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