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Posted: 24 February 2013 01:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Hi Dartanbeck smile

sorry for the late reply ..

You should go and download a couple of Demo versions of some easy to use sequencing software,.
My advice would be to check out Magix, www.magix.com and download a couple of the demo versions,. they make really accessible sequencing software, which comes with a bunch of sounds to get you going,. ..much like carrara and content. 

As Pjotter mentioned,. you can use pre-made loop’s of audio,. or you can “play” using a midi controller and set up a VST instrument to create the sound from the midi values,
You can also “draw” music into a track, using the Midi editor page, and your mouse,. or, if you play an instrument like a guitar, you can record directly into a track,. then edit or reposition that recorded audio in the time-line if needed.

I have a little M-Audio “Oxygen8” keyboard/ midi controller,. it’s a simple 25 key keyboard with pitch and modulation wheels, and 8 control knobs .
In ANY music making software, I can set up the controller,. and assign any of the knobs to control any value in any track component,.

I also play guitar, so I can record that, then add VST effects like Guitar-Rig, to change the sound completely or just to add subtle tone and colour by adjusting the types of Mic, and Amps being “virtually” used to simulate the sound of an electric guitar on stage or in an arena, or studio. and I can add effects like Wah-wah, Fuzz, tremolo, and distortion.

or,. using the Midi keyboard,. I can assign the midi track I’m recording to,. to use a VST instrument, such as a grand piano, (real sampled sounds) instead of one of the standard GM sounds.

Most DAW’s work in exactly the same way,. allowing you to create Midi, or Audio tracks, and either Play / draw, or record directly into those tracks,. you can also purchase pre-made loops or riff’s and drag ‘n’ drop those into an audio track as “Blocks” which can be copied and pasted,. or moved around in time…

Either way,... some sequencing software is what you need to put it all together,.
your PC,. plus an input device, (Midi controller, Microphone, or a musical instrument)  and some software where you can assemble / compose.

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Posted: 24 February 2013 01:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Yeah. I’ve worked with midi before. In Chicago, I was given a room, a large room, and full access to any of the latest musical equipment in the world, to set up a display. Full access! Funded by the fortune 500 company, Guitar Center. I started with a large hardware product introduced to the public (but years before to specific touring artists, like Niel Peart,) a year or two prior - the Tama Cage, which surrounds the drummer in a cage made of pipes. The entire right side of the drum kit was an elaborate setup of all acoustic drums - including the bass drum and cymbals. The left was a nice assortment of the latest in percussion pads and triggers with three octapads (don’t think they make these anymore - what a shame) over head, just above the cymbals, but well in reach.
I then had a sound tech (he was also best friends with Stevie Wonder) provide me with all of the latest high end samples and a sound system surrounding the cage in all directions. He took it a step further and added lights and microphones on all of the acoustic parts.
I set up the Octapads with an assortment of violin sounds, one set was muted, and we applied a grungy guitar amp effect on those. A comfortable arrangement of the pads to the left were my Bass guitar and a few rhythm guitar sounds and I applied a snare drum sound to the left bass drum pad - so I could play entire drum beats between my feet and right or left hand, depending upon what I needed to do.
Adding in a vocal mic with a great effects patch, and I would perform the setup three times a day playing “In the Still of the Night” by Whitesnake all by myself.

You see, at that time, Drummers were a very complainy lot. They were peeved at the introduction of drum machines to the market. You know me, the more people complain, the more I get aggressively active to show them why they don’t have to be. So this was my (very successful) answer to how the midi world could be answered back by a lone drummer - rather than only being the other way around.
Vivian Campbell, lead guitarist from Whitesnake (but not at the time that song was written - but by the time they toured - he was the new lead guitarist) called me a musical genius! I’ll never forget that moment!

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Posted: 24 February 2013 02:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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LMMS is free (and I cannot figure it out)

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Posted: 24 February 2013 02:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Hi Pjotter smile

You’re right,... The “full” version of the Miroslav product is currently cheaper than the “Lite” version,.  ...that’s Italian economics smile
but there’s also 21% Italian tax to add to the total,.
fortunately the sound-set downloads are split into 9 files.

I also got a bunch of bundled VST stuff (ampli-tube) like Guitar rig,. (sample tank) and (T-RackS custom shop)

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Posted: 24 February 2013 02:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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HI Wendy smile

I had a look at LMMS,. but it’s too clunky for me,. when a decent simple DAW like magix “Music Maker”, can be picked up for under £60.
some free software isn’t worth the learning curve hassle
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Posted: 24 February 2013 02:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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3DAGE - 24 February 2013 02:22 PM

HI Wendy smile

I had a look at LMMS,. but it’s too clunky for me,. when a decent simple DAW like magix “Music Maker”, can be picked up for under £60.
some free software isn’t worth the learning curve hassle
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I was about to recommend Music Maker to Dartanbeck but you anticipated me. smile
I can carry my experience as music illiterate, looking for a simple product allowing me to easily compose video BGM. I already used Magix Video Deluxe and enjoyed the integrated music features, so when I was offered Music Maker download edition for just €19.99 I grabbed it quickly.
I’m actually really satisfied of Music Maker. My opinion is that Magix software in general is easy to use, but it’s more than just “software for dummies” and allows an advanced amateurish use. Music Maker itself can be extended with more samples and more VST plugins, not necessarily sold by Magix.

 

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Posted: 24 February 2013 03:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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me too

I have Magix music maker and recommend it = special offer at moment $100 for premium version.with frree bonus loops.
scroll down on this page to bottom and checkout the workshop video,

http://www.magix.com/us/music-maker/premium/

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Posted: 24 February 2013 03:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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So, you guys are saying to use Magix instead of Reaper, as my DAW, right?
By looking at the video, it appears that it would recognize (and allow me to use) IK Philharmonic, if I had that installed. Decisions!
Sure looks user friendly. But so does Reaper. Any hints?

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Posted: 24 February 2013 05:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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HI Dartanbeck smile

Yes,. go download Music Maker NOW,. trial version,. if you choose to buy it,. the serial number unlocks the trial.

VST’s are pretty much universal,. meaning that any music program which can use VST’s will see other manufacturers VST’s.

I have Guitar Rig, and Session Strings,. (from Native Instruments). and a bunch of other VST instruments which I can access whether I’m using Ableton Live,  Music maker,  Samplitude or any other DAW

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Posted: 24 February 2013 05:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Hey Dartenbeck

If you want to go one better then check out MAGIX Samplitude

http://www.magix.com/us/samplitude/

You can do all the same stuff as in MusicMaker and more especially if you want to record midi instruments.
And it will output musical notation if you read.

I just wanted to complicate your decision - LOL !!!

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Posted: 24 February 2013 05:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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No… complicate me! Go for it. The more ideas I get the better, I think.
Now I’m sorting through the thought:
Do I really need/want all of those auto-make-music features and loops and such for the extra dough?
Definitely worth it if arranging loops and such is what you’re after.
For a fairly sizable savings, Reaper can take everything I play into it, and let me arrange it from there, in pretty much the same way.
I am going to keep an open mind, and keep browsing other ideas.
I checked out BIAB, and it is a bit off the path of what I want - but is really powerful and cool, and I will be recommending it to a friend who wants just that.

There is, of course, yet another option from what I’ve seen here:
I could get the non-premium Music Maker, which includes lots of stuff, but no 5.1 dolby.
Decisions
I still want to have a look at cu Base, and Sonar, but I have a feeling that the price range will be incompatible with my current funds limitation.
Fairly sold on IK Philharmonic though… even if I end up not being able to afford my chosen DAW right away.
Music Maker Premium is, so far, on top of that list - and is only a smidgeon past my budget. (I’m also getting Curvy 3D, Genetica, PD Pro: Howler, AnyFX for PD, plus a big pile of this and a touch of that)

Speaking with the developer at Dogwaffle yesterday. He started working for Eovia back when they first took Carrara into their lineup - at Carrara ver. 2! He’s been using Carrara ever since! Bravo, eh!

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Posted: 24 February 2013 06:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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3DAGE - 24 February 2013 01:44 PM

I have a little M-Audio “Oxygen8” keyboard/ midi controller,. it’s a simple 25 key keyboard with pitch and modulation wheels, and 8 control knobs .
In ANY music making software, I can set up the controller,. and assign any of the knobs to control any value in any track component,.

So you’re probably familiar with the existence of my baby:
M-Audio Keystation 88 Pro
88 weighted keys of bliss with an entire recording studio worth of sliders, knobs and controls.
My singer bought it for use in his recording studio, but everyone who would use it bring their own gear - so he gave it to me.
Over the past couple years, I was under the notion that I’d buy Finale and write up the score, and he would record the Green Bay Philharmonic playing my score. I am not even close to having that in my near future! I’ve been invited to join the Philharmonic, but I’ll have to at least partially retire from stone masonry before I’d be able to commit to that.

This whole process is looking like an exiting option that can eventually evolve into my original idea - should I decide to do so.
Besides… it’ll be fun!

All of you…
Thank you for helping me in this. Very cool!

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Posted: 24 February 2013 06:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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just to clarify that, smile

All versions of Music Maker will allow you to have Midi or audio tracks and record Midi or Audio into those tracks.

Samplitude also comes with a 10GB sampler called “independence” from yellow Tools,. plus a bunch of Magix specific built in instruments like a VSTi Piano, Jazz Drums, Rock drums,String ensemble, Saxophone, Basses, Synth’s, Pads,. etc….

Overall, Samplitude has many more high level features,. Mixing, Mastering, Score printout,.. etc..
but even the basic Music Maker will allow you to create great music using Audio and Midi.

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Posted: 24 February 2013 06:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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thanx.
perhaps I could consider samplitude without getting IK, and just put that on a wishlist?
I’ll check into it.
Hey,,, thanks again!

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Posted: 25 February 2013 03:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Music Maker is not bad, but compared to Reaper it is a toy. It depends on what you want.

Have a loot at this link. MM is not even mentioned here:
http://thedawstudio.com/Gear/DAW-Comparison-Chart.html

More details here: http://sound-editing-software.findthebest.com/compare/57-84/REAPER-vs-Music-Maker (Read the reviews there)

They are in the same price range. Some of the other real Daw’s could be a little bit better as Reaper, but they are much more expensive.

Comparison here: http://www.musicradar.com/tuition/tech/the-15-best-daw-software-apps-in-the-world-today-238905/1

Same here, MM isn’t even mentioned. Reaper is 65 dollar with free update to the next version. And it is loaded with excellent free plugins.

It is a bit like comparing DS to Carrara. With DS you can do a lot, but doesn’t come close to Carrara.

No, I don’t ow shares of Reaper.

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