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Posted: 20 February 2013 09:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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creativemodelsbe - 20 February 2013 08:32 AM

systems like the cloud, streaming will kill the internet back to the old days where people buy real books…

That is a absolutely silly thing to say. Streaming is one of the things people LOVE to use the Internet for. The cloud is becoming more popular for both backing up and being able to share files between different devices. Saying that those things will “kill” the Internet is as silly as saying that the airlines will kill the travel industry. Your personal dislike has no bearing whatsoever on what’s actually happening in the real world.

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Posted: 20 February 2013 09:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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I got my copy of LightWave 9 by purchasing a “second hand” licence. The whole process was done above board with NewTek sales department performing all the behind the scenes stuff. It paid out for them as I updated to 11 within a couple of months. I don’t know if DAZ have a similar policy - I’m guessing not, but I would think that there is as much incentive for them to adopt one as there isn’t.

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Posted: 20 February 2013 10:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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Unfortunately, the lightwave example is not applicable here… Daz Studio is still free so you would be selling a free license?  I think the user wants to sell his content which represents breaking all of the separate agreements with each vendor that he purchased from using Daz3d as an exchange.

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Posted: 20 February 2013 10:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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We don’t own anything! Only the company DAZ3D and the creators of the content own the 3D material! The software here belongs to Daz3d. What we get is a license to use the software and 3D content. This is why I think it was very smart business wise for DAZ3D to give away the license for Daz Studio pro for free! It is like the people at the grocery store giving away samples! The way it works is if the sample is good you will buy more. Now I understand why we are only granted a license for software! It takes knowing how to write software to create 3D programs but on the other hand models and clothes can be made by anybody and charging such large amounts of money for something that has no inherent value is like throwing away money. The content we purchase here at Daz3D is like throwing away money because the Eula here makes it almost impossible to make any money with it! No this is not a rant this is the truth. We are supporting DAZ3D and they should be more conscious of the fact that we are purchasing items that have no inherent value and they should charge accordingly.  The Platinum category is good start & so is the Value category but I still think most of the items here at Daz are still too over priced for something we only are getting a license for!


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Posted: 20 February 2013 11:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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Just wondering…

What if a company purchases some content (strictly speaking a license to use the content), and that company gets taken over, or demerged, or undergoes some other kind of restructure. Is the content (license) transfered or does it just vanish into the void?

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Posted: 21 February 2013 12:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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Silver Dolphin - 20 February 2013 10:36 PM

Now I understand why we are only granted a license for software! It takes knowing how to write software to create 3D programs but on the other hand models and clothes can be made by anybody and charging such large amounts of money for something that has no inherent value is like throwing away money.


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I know you may not have meant it this way, but as someone who can program and create content, I see that as a huge insult to the content creators.
Both take knowledge, time and effort. Both also take varying degrees of art. Both are works of craftmanship and skill.

It’s also wrong because people who shop here clearly do see the value of the content and do pay money for it.

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Posted: 21 February 2013 01:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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Silver Dolphin - 20 February 2013 10:36 PM

We don’t own anything! Only the company DAZ3D and the creators of the content own the 3D material! The software here belongs to Daz3d. What we get is a license to use the software and 3D content. This is why I think it was very smart business wise for DAZ3D to give away the license for Daz Studio pro for free! It is like the people at the grocery store giving away samples! The way it works is if the sample is good you will buy more. Now I understand why we are only granted a license for software! It takes knowing how to write software to create 3D programs but on the other hand models and clothes can be made by anybody and charging such large amounts of money for something that has no inherent value is like throwing away money. The content we purchase here at Daz3D is like throwing away money because the Eula here makes it almost impossible to make any money with it! No this is not a rant this is the truth. We are supporting DAZ3D and they should be more conscious of the fact that we are purchasing items that have no inherent value and they should charge accordingly.  The Platinum category is good start & so is the Value category but I still think most of the items here at Daz are still too over priced for something we only are getting a license for!


Just my 2 cents.

Actually, this is more like Adobe Photoshop, Microsoft Windows, or any software. You don’t own the software. Even the freebies you get out in the net like Blender clearly state you don’t own the software. You own a license to use the software, which is really what’s important. What you produce with the software is yours (within certain parameters) falling under derivative works.

I’ve earned money from the art I produced using DAZ and the brokered items here for projects and my own creator owned comic, and those are certainly within the EULA. And certainly, there are people here who have earned far more than I using DAZ, Bryce, Hexagon, etc. While I agree any company should take care of their customer base (because what company survives for long if they don’t?) and some of the items here are a little overpriced, I’m not sure why you would say it’s impossible to make money with DAZ products and services.  cool hmm

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Posted: 21 February 2013 01:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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CaptainMARC - 20 February 2013 11:18 PM

Just wondering…

What if a company purchases some content (strictly speaking a license to use the content), and that company gets taken over, or demerged, or undergoes some other kind of restructure. Is the content (license) transfered or does it just vanish into the void?

AFAIK, the license agreement is still valid. Company b cannot change the original agreement company a made, even if they absorbed it, and they are obligated to honor it. They may change the parameters for future releases or modifications based on that content, but the ones already out there still stand.

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Posted: 21 February 2013 01:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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We’re not buying content. It’s in the EULA we all agreed to. We’re buying nontransferable licences to use the content. Like almost all digital goods, they can’t be transferred legally to someone else.

Hardly all. It’s completely legal to resell a copy of Windows or a music CD, for example. A recent court ruling in the EU has also stated that it’s legal to resell Video Games (and possibly other digital content), notwithstanding the EULA may say it isn’t.

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They aren’t digital goods. They’re physical products. There’s a difference.

I fail to see the difference. What you essentially are buying is the bits and bytes and the license to use them, how they are delivered is (or should be) irreelevant, technically. Many companies (including Microsoft) also offers the choice between a download and a physical version (or both) these days.

What astounds me is how completely people have jumped upon the ‘digital goods’ bandwagon, without really reading the associated terms and coming to terms with exactly what it is that they’re buying.

I have no problems with the terms of most companies as long as they allow for reselling the software (deleting your own copies).

As for those who do not allow resale of digital content I am forced to accept the terms if I want the products, but I don’t find them fair or logical as long as you can freely resell all kinds of other things, including some types of digital content.

I don’t think anyone would find it fair either if they suddenly made laws that prohibited reselling cars or houses?

And to any arguments that there is a difference between digital “machines” and physical machines I can only say I disagree. Both are items doing some kind of service for the user, and that service is what it’s all about. What the “machine” doing the service consists of, be it metal or bytes, is technically irrelevant to me. What I essentially pay for is the service the item can do for me, the item itself has no value to me at all without that service.

 

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Posted: 21 February 2013 08:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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Speaking of digital machines, what about genetic engineering?  Custom designed DNA to make a plant rot resistant.  Is there a license fee to be paid for each new crop from the seeds of the previously licensed seeds?  Or in the case of animals how about modification of sperm, egg or embryo to fix a deficient gene to avoid multiple-sclerosis.  The child survives disease free and reproduces, does the license fee for the product require renewal for the subsequent generations?

Yeah, it sounds like an absurd idea but somewhere along the line without proper laws, somebody’s going to try to capitalize on it.

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Posted: 21 February 2013 09:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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The problem with digital goods is that they are not physical items and therefore can be replicated very quickly and easily, without any aditional costs.

With just with a single push of a button you can multiply an e-book or a software intaller and voila - in a few seconds you have not just dozens but hundreds of them. If you are allowed to re-sell them without problem, who prevents you from selling just one if you can sell thousands? Of course the proper way to re-sell digital content would be to sell just one copy and delete your own, so that the only remaining copy is the one which your customer now has. But how many people would really do that?

If you own a car or house and then sell it, you do not have the car / house anymore. You cannot hide a copy of the car in your pocket and use it later to drive to a cinema. You cannot copy the house you just sold and move the replica several miles away, so you can keep on living in it. But you can do such things with your digital content. You CAN sell it and still HAVE it. And no-one (except for your own conscience) can prevent you from doing it.

So those who produce digital content - like DAZ company and others - protect their products the way they do.

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Posted: 21 February 2013 09:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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Is there a license fee to be paid for each new crop from the seeds of the previously licensed seeds?

Yes, actually there is a payment of some sort of GM products. According to Wikipedia, one of the giants in GM products market, Monsanto, forbids you to save seeds you grew so you’d have to buy the license again if you wish to plant them next year.
“For example, Monsanto’s typical bailment license (covering transfer of the seeds themselves) forbids saving seeds, and also requires that purchasers sign a separate patent license agreement”

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food_controversies#Intellectual_property

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Posted: 21 February 2013 09:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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LeatherGryphon - 21 February 2013 08:38 AM

Speaking of digital machines, what about genetic engineering?  Custom designed DNA to make a plant rot resistant.  Is there a license fee to be paid for each new crop from the seeds of the previously licensed seeds?  Or in the case of animals how about modification of sperm, egg or embryo to fix a deficient gene to avoid multiple-sclerosis.  The child survives disease free and reproduces, does the license fee for the product require renewal for the subsequent generations?

Yeah, it sounds like an absurd idea but somewhere along the line without proper laws, somebody’s going to try to capitalize on it.

It’s already happening:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_patent

“Genetic use restriction technology, colloquially known as “terminator technology”, produces plants that have sterile seeds. If put into use, it would prevent the spread of those seeds into the wild. It also would prevent farmers from planting seeds they harvest, requiring them to repurchase seed for every planting, although they also need to do this for hybrid seeds, because second-generation seeds are inferior, and in cases of patented transgenic seeds, where patent-holders like Monsanto enter into contracts with farmers who agree not to plant harvested seeds as a condition of purchase.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto

 

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Posted: 21 February 2013 09:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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Proxima Shining Said:

With just with a single push of a button you can multiply an e-book or a software intaller and voila - in a few seconds you have not just dozens but hundreds of them. If you are allowed to re-sell them without problem, who prevents you from selling just one if you can sell thousands? Of course the proper way to re-sell digital content would be to sell just one copy and delete your own, so that the only remaining copy is the one which your customer now has. But how many people would really do that?

It all comes down to trust. Most suppliers do not trust their customers to follow these rules so they prohibit any re-selling. But the people who would not follow the rules are the ones least likely to stick to any re-selling restrictions and most likely to use any cracking or decryption tools they can find to break copy protection.

I know a lot of people are unhappy about the number of illegal copies being made but there is no way of knowing how many actual sales are lost. A lot of people who would pay a few pounds for an illegal copy of photoshop would never consider buying it at the legal price.

It is wrong for people to be using your stuff without paying you but we do not live in an ideal world.

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Posted: 21 February 2013 10:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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Proxima Shining - 21 February 2013 09:10 AM

The problem with digital goods is that they are not physical items and therefore can be replicated very quickly and easily, without any aditional costs.

With just with a single push of a button you can multiply an e-book or a software intaller and voila - in a few seconds you have not just dozens but hundreds of them. If you are allowed to re-sell them without problem, who prevents you from selling just one if you can sell thousands? Of course the proper way to re-sell digital content would be to sell just one copy and delete your own, so that the only remaining copy is the one which your customer now has. But how many people would really do that?

If you own a car or house and then sell it, you do not have the car / house anymore. You cannot hide a copy of the car in your pocket and use it later to drive to a cinema. You cannot copy the house you just sold and move the replica several miles away, so you can keep on living in it. But you can do such things with your digital content. You CAN sell it and still HAVE it. And no-one (except for your own conscience) can prevent you from doing it.

So those who produce digital content - like DAZ company and others - protect their products the way they do.

I’m well aware how these things work, but those who pirate don’t care about the EULA anyway so it doubt it helps much.

 

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