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The Realism Challenge - Biased VS Unbiased Showdown
Posted: 01 May 2013 04:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 271 ]
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Kyoto Kid - 01 May 2013 01:49 PM
dustrider - 01 May 2013 07:23 AM

There are some really amazing renders here, especially those in the past two pages. It makes Octane look really appealing smile

I looks like Cycles might be a good option as well, I’m really impressed with the last image posted by 3doutlaw.

I’ve been playing with Reality 3 and Lux the past couple of weeks, but I’m not even close to what y’all are doing yet. At least I’m finally getting some use out of Poser 2012 (never bee able to get along very well with Poser lighting). I’m getting closer to the results I can get with Carrara now, but my focus isn’t photo realism, just realistic 3D.

The link below is to my second render using Reality3, not as good as the images posted here, but I thought I’d share as I learn. Warning, the image has “nudity”. I really like the way Reality3 handles the conversion of the skin shaders. Lux is great render engine, just sloooowww.
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=2434136

...worked with 2010 on the old system.  Ran pretty well in 32 bit compared to S3Advanced. I particularly liked the ability to render in background mode the Queue Manager as it made best used of the limited memory resourced I had.  I could also use Occlusion and Ray Tracing which in 3Delight would be a quick trip to a crash.

I do hear you about Poser’s lighting system. I find Daz to be much more intuitive and more like working with actual stage lighting. Then there’s the ability by one click to view though a spotlight like a camera for fine tuning. 

I have Reality 2.5 for Daz which will mean an entirely different learning curve with lighting as it approaches the task more from a photographer’s, rather than theatrical lighting tech’s angle.  I messed around with 35mm photography but not at a truly professional level and most of my work was out of doors usually photographing events like airshows, races, kite festivals, etc.  Also going to need to learn a lot more about surface properties, something when I worked with oil paints or picked up the old Richo SLR wasn’t much of a concern other than if I could see it, I could paint or shoot it.

Waiting for the Daz version of R3 so we can get SSS to help with skin tones (and make rendering go even slower).

I’ve got Reality 2.5 for DS too, and will jump on Reality3 for DS as soon as it comes out. I haven’t used Reality that much with DS because I can actually get decent lighting in DS fairly easily, and the render times are a bit faster. I’ve dabbled with Luxus a bit as well, and it has some really nice features, but I like Reality3 better so far. I still prefer Carrara though, but it’s been a lot of fun to finally use Poser 2012 red face without fighting with the lighting.

I have zero art or photographic training, I just do this for fun. I’m obviously not nearly as talented as most of the people here, or ar rendo, rdna, deviant art, etc. But, I am continually amazed when I actually create something that someone else likes!! It’s kind of like “Wow, I actually made that?”, cause I’m definitely no artist!!

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Posted: 02 May 2013 07:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 272 ]
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Hello,

Just by looking at these, can you all tell what these were rendered with?

What render engine or engines did I use to create these images?

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Posted: 03 May 2013 08:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 273 ]
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Type 0 Negative - 02 May 2013 07:36 PM

Hello,

Just by looking at these, can you all tell what these were rendered with?

I like the one on the bottom, right the best.

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Posted: 03 May 2013 05:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 274 ]
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So impressed with the OctaneRender demo, sprung for a standalone and Daz plugin licenses with my tax return.  Still have lots to learn.  Hollywood Hills HDRI environment courtesy of sIBL Archive. Sean on a M5/F5 character.

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Posted: 03 May 2013 11:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 275 ]
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DS R2 Lux for a few sold commissions http://bobvan.deviantart.com/art/Coming-attraction-366713511?q=gallery:bobvan&qo=0 click on DA link for large files

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Posted: 03 May 2013 11:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 276 ]
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Face generated Madonna http://bobvan.deviantart.com/art/2-369219336

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Posted: 04 May 2013 02:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 277 ]
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@Type 0 Negative:

All four look incredibly good. I’ve used R2/Luxrender and I’ve used Octane.
But I can’t tell what is what.
I’m guessing: you used all four: 3Delight, Firefly, Luxrender, Octane.

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Posted: 05 May 2013 11:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 278 ]
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tjeb - 04 May 2013 02:35 PM

@Type 0 Negative:

All four look incredibly good. I’ve used R2/Luxrender and I’ve used Octane.
But I can’t tell what is what.
I’m guessing: you used all four: 3Delight, Firefly, Luxrender, Octane.

Thanks for guessing, I hoped there would be several guesses.
Answer is; they were all done in DS4.5 with 3Delight.
I was testing myself. I wanted to see if anyone could tell if my renders were Biased or Unbiased.
and Thanks for the compliment daveleitz68

Harry Dresden - 17 February 2013 08:35 AM

We have two groups of people around these forums. Those who swear by unbiased renderers like Lux (Reality) or Octane and those who are adamant they can produce the same results in their biased software of choice (Poser, Studio, Carrara, Bryce etc.)

So the challenge is simply this. Don’t argue your case but render it. Show us that you are indeed better able to use your software of choice than the next guy is able to use his.

 

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Posted: 05 May 2013 07:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 279 ]
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Here is some good old fashioned V-Ray for you.

I have tons of shots that are probably better than this, but since I am mostly rendering adult stuff, these wouldnt be tame enough to be posted here wink

I am by no means a pro in this, but in my oppinion v-ray has the best of both worlds. It comes close to unbiased quality but you can tweak it so it will only take a fraction of the time in complex scenes. Especially indoor scenes are really taking long on unbiased render engines, but with v-ray you get these done quite fast if done correctly.

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Posted: 08 May 2013 07:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 280 ]
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Some pictures from Modo (biased) engine

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Posted: 08 May 2013 08:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 281 ]
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fasttam - 08 May 2013 07:39 AM

Some pictures from Modo (biased) engine

Wow! Very nice smile

It is all beautiful, but the skin and water in particular stand out for me. How much work did you have to do to the surfaces to get them looking like that? I would be interested in anything you cared to share, especially regarding the skin and water smile

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Posted: 08 May 2013 10:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 282 ]
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I’d be interested in learning that too.

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Posted: 08 May 2013 10:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 283 ]
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More Lux stuff http://bobvan.deviantart.com/art/Island-14-370310779

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Posted: 08 May 2013 10:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 284 ]
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Posted: 08 May 2013 10:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 285 ]
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3Delight UE http://bobvan.deviantart.com/art/LOTG-Trek-10-269839616?q=gallery:bobvan/37306859&qo=10

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