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Posted: 06 February 2013 05:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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So, where are the threads that were once in commercial forum? Are they deleted or have they been moved somewhere?

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Posted: 06 February 2013 05:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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Spyro - 06 February 2013 05:38 AM

So, where are the threads that were once in commercial forum? Are they deleted or have they been moved somewhere?

They have been removed.
From http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewannounce/16350_508/
“What will happen to existing threads for products available at other sites?
The forum section that contained these threads will simply be closed and will no longer be available.”

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Posted: 06 February 2013 05:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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As far as I’m aware they were just being closed, not deleted.

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Posted: 06 February 2013 05:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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Spyro - 06 February 2013 05:38 AM

So, where are the threads that were once in commercial forum? Are they deleted or have they been moved somewhere?

I think I read that threads aren’t deleted but moved somewhere that we can’t see.

On another note it’s disappointing that Daz also moved the Mec4D 15 years in business sale thread - which was about the sale of her products here and the Garibaldi beta testing thread - I believe the intention was to sell the product here.

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Posted: 06 February 2013 05:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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That is such a shame.  Fair enough that the decision to restrict the commercial forum to daz vendors… But I think its a disappointment that all those threads were removed and not simply moved to daz discussion or Commons. Especially the WIP product threads. Some of us really shared a lot of work with each other there. It was really fun and we learned heaps there. :(

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Posted: 06 February 2013 06:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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Yea I can understand why the economic situ and commercial rationale has bought this decision. Same with the recent change in freebie policy. However by removing a big element of the community, it’s also taking away a big chunk of what helps the big sites.

Usually the career path for most artists is get into poser/studio via freebies, make some freebies, then products. Much of which isn’t mainstream stuff, so if those artists can’t showcase their stuff, it means long term the big boys get less original material. Less innovation also gives the elitist morons more ammo as well, so really this is seriously counter productive for everyone involved.

So why just have one small forum that does allow debate of the little guys stuff and ban it totally elsewhere on site? Everyone wins then.

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Posted: 06 February 2013 06:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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In my opinion, I don’t think it will be too long before we see a “baby DAZ” emerging from one of the smaller 3d content sites. As Daz evolves more away from what people were used too, someone else is going to have to fill that need with a community for sharing DS/Poser market alerts, WIPS, tutorials, WCIF, and a relaxed social structure that is less commercial, more community. It’s a great way for a store front to attract new customers and start picking up stray or ‘homeless’ vendors, and to begin building a business model much the same as DAZ used to be and not strongly affiliated with the larger content providers (Rendo, Daz, CP, RDNA, The site that shall not be named, etc). Not sure who will fill the void, though, so unfortunately it’s just a wait and see. :/

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Posted: 06 February 2013 06:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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If there are to be no linking to other commercial sites, how will this effect the linking of free stuff on sites that are commercial. For example I know that for the freebie challenge you have to post links to where you got the item, if its a commercial site will this still be allowed?

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Posted: 06 February 2013 06:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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scorpio64dragon - 06 February 2013 06:20 AM

If there are to be no linking to other commercial sites, how will this effect the linking of free stuff on sites that are commercial. For example I know that for the freebie challenge you have to post links to where you got the item, if its a commercial site will this still be allowed?

Very good question (I wish we had a +like here, LOL). Another question that may come up is: What about freebies that compete with DAZ / PA products, such as morph and clothing packages hosted at sites like ShareCG? It would seem reasonable that these also effect the promotion and sales of Daz store products.

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Posted: 06 February 2013 06:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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In my opinion, I don’t think it will be too long before we see a “baby DAZ” emerging.

There was, it was called 3dCommune and theres also PA2. The “Guild” idea is also something that been around a while.
Last serious attempt was SMART with the likes of Meshbox, ontarget and philc.

Thing is while most folks want to support the indies, unfortunately because of time constraints and simplicity everyone communicates and shops at the big sites. It’s roughly similar with sellers as well, it’s very time consuming to adapt a product for each store. Different licences, promo sizes etc. Upload times.

It’s the same with advertising on twatter and facb*llox, folks don’t have time to visit all these places. 
Which is precisely why you’re right that we need a ‘one stop shop’ - which already exists here now.

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”..how will this effect the linking of free stuff on sites that are commercial.”

Well hopefully daz will be more community minded than the other place.
If your site sells anything you can’t link to any freebies held there.
You can only link to a totally free site.

Also what happens if the other site is ad supported like sharecg. Which will show products from other stores.

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Posted: 06 February 2013 07:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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Anyone know what will happen to Garibaldi Hair now? We had so much learning and tips, tricks and discussion on that thread. Not to mention our shared renders. All of that is vaulted now (If they didn’t delete all that). Not sure how the beta testing will work now that we dont have a working thread. So much lost :(

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Posted: 06 February 2013 07:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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One of the active Garibaldi stylists (Mangey?) created a new thread in the Commons but it seems to have vanished.

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Posted: 06 February 2013 07:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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Really? So even a render/discussion thread for a WIP product is not allowed? That really sucks :(

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Posted: 06 February 2013 07:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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Spyro - 06 February 2013 07:10 AM

Anyone know what will happen to Garibaldi Hair now? We had so much learning and tips, tricks and discussion on that thread. Not to mention our shared renders. All of that is vaulted now (If they didn’t delete all that). Not sure how the beta testing will work now that we dont have a working thread. So much lost :(

If the creator is not a PA, the threads have gone the way of all other non-PA commercial threads.  Depending upon another commercial site is not the best of ideas.  About the only thing you can do now is get the creator to add a forum to his own site and try to recreate what has been removed.

 

 

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Posted: 06 February 2013 08:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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This sucks big time, so anyone new to the business and has maybe just come up with an idea for a product now has no sounding board to see if its something the community would like or want, now we can’t compare products existing and products ie, plugins for Studio that are a work in progress and may be just as good or better than another plug in that is already available in the Daz Market Place.  If its a new vendor who hasn’t published a product anywhere yet and doesn’t have a finished product to submit to the store to see if Daz would be interested in selling it, can’t even show the customers of Daz to get an idea if it is something they would like to purchase, talk about tunnel vision, may be time for me purchase Poser and move off in another direction.

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