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Cromer Pier - Re-Issued
Posted: 15 June 2012 01:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]
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SimonJM - 14 June 2012 01:10 PM

Wow ...! smile

And I am not sure you meant portmanteau ... portmanteau is/was an invented word (can’t recall by whom, some famous literay person .. maybe Twain?) to describe a new word formed of ‘blending’ two others (and is, apparently, a portmanteau word itself - though not sure how) smile  But I think I know what you meant.

This is fun.  And there was me thinking that a portmanteau word was so called because it carried lots of different meanings, like a travelling salesman!  You learn something new every day.  Mark Twain - yes, it sounds like him….  GBS maybe?.....  Maybe not, although he was “into” fooling around with words….
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Cherokee - yes, I’ll admit it - you were right all along.  Glad you like the results.

 

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Posted: 15 June 2012 01:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]
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Robert Freise - 14 June 2012 10:48 PM
skipper25 - 13 June 2012 03:07 AM

Mmmm, yes, you’re right.  I’ll give it a try after the railings are finished.
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BTW, it occurred to me that what the whole area needs are a few coin-in-the slot binoculars, but all that I can find on the internet are uninteresting boxes.  Can anyone locate something that looks the part?  Thanks.

You mention viewfinders his a google search on them maybe it will help

https://www.google.com/search?q=tourist+viewfinder&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=bt4&rlz=1R1RNFA_en___US346&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Pr3aT9jeGIPs2QXSvvy1CA&ved=0CFAQ_AUoAQ&biw=1272&bih=794&sei=Qr3aT_WRNeOe2gXq9tyEBg

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Thanks Robert.  Not just one thingie through which to peer at the pier, but several pages of them!  Very useful.

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Posted: 15 June 2012 01:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]
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Glad to be of help

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Posted: 17 June 2012 12:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]
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We are at last ready to start adding superstructure to the pier.  See below.  The details of the compass are yet to go in, but the blue circle marks the spot.  I also relented on the semi-circular structures jutting out from the promenade - I think they are called barbicans.  Whatever they are called, I have moved them within sight of the pier because without them the scene looked a little empty and unfinished.

The breakwater has been started but is not yet done. There will be one more here.

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Posted: 17 June 2012 02:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 50 ]
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Impressive looking.

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Posted: 18 June 2012 06:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 51 ]
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Skipper,

This is looking extremely good.

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Posted: 18 June 2012 11:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 52 ]
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Thanks guys.  The pier itself starts to come alive with added details.  It won’t be too long before we have Pamela Anderson strutting her stuff down there.
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Actually, it was while angling for the POV below, that it occurred to me that all my previous work on the cliff safety rails will have to be scrapped.  This is because just about every user at some time or another will want to place their camera at the top of the cliff, looking down at the pier.  From this position, the shortcomings and failings of a system of transmapped planes become painfully apparent.  They’ll just have to go.
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What to put in their place is a question.  My current thinking is that a compromise is called for - a single run of built 3D railings at the top for the photo opportunities and the rest as 3D stone walls for the economy.  I’ll make a decision later.

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Posted: 18 June 2012 08:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 53 ]
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skipper25 - 18 June 2012 11:14 AM

Actually, it was while angling for the POV below, that it occurred to me that all my previous work on the cliff safety rails will have to be scrapped.  This is because just about every user at some time or another will want to place their camera at the top of the cliff, looking down at the pier.  From this position, the shortcomings and failings of a system of transmapped planes become painfully apparent.  They’ll just have to go.
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What to put in their place is a question.  My current thinking is that a compromise is called for - a single run of built 3D railings at the top for the photo opportunities and the rest as 3D stone walls for the economy.  I’ll make a decision later.

Skipper,

OK, so, if you were modeling the posts and railings, what would the poly count be for one post? I’m trying to find out if what I’m thinking might be better.

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Posted: 18 June 2012 11:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 54 ]
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The type of metal post that I would WISH to use, based upon those in the prototype, would comprise about 160 facets per post, which is unthinkable.  However, what I have in mind is the type of precast concrete post that is square in section and has a top rounded in one plane only.  This has a count of only 9 facets per post.  There is a cost in that the product is not so pretty, but needs must when the devil drives.
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It must also be bourne in mind that the whole cliff face has about 600 posts all told, as well as about 30 x 3 rails, each of which has 8 facets.  Although the number of rails per run can be reduced to 2, the facet count soon rockets.
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A low stone wall has only 6 facets PER RUN, so the saving is very considerable.
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I will gladly consider any suggestions that you come up with.


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Posted: 19 June 2012 05:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 55 ]
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skipper25 - 18 June 2012 11:12 PM

The type of metal post that I would WISH to use, based upon those in the prototype, would comprise about 160 facets per post, which is unthinkable.  However, what I have in mind is the type of precast concrete post that is square in section and has a top rounded in one plane only.  This has a count of only 9 facets per post.  There is a cost in that the product is not so pretty, but needs must when the devil drives.
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It must also be bourne in mind that the whole cliff face has about 600 posts all told, as well as about 30 x 3 rails, each of which has 8 facets.  Although the number of rails per run can be reduced to 2, the facet count soon rockets.
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A low stone wall has only 6 facets PER RUN, so the saving is very considerable.
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I will gladly consider any suggestions that you come up with.


I’d recommend a petition to North Norfolk District Council demanding they change the style of post to something far more practical such as concrete posts ... wink

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Posted: 19 June 2012 07:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 56 ]
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skipper25 - 18 June 2012 11:12 PM

The type of metal post that I would WISH to use, based upon those in the prototype, would comprise about 160 facets per post, which is unthinkable.  However, what I have in mind is the type of precast concrete post that is square in section and has a top rounded in one plane only.  This has a count of only 9 facets per post.  There is a cost in that the product is not so pretty, but needs must when the devil drives.
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It must also be bourne in mind that the whole cliff face has about 600 posts all told, as well as about 30 x 3 rails, each of which has 8 facets.  Although the number of rails per run can be reduced to 2, the facet count soon rockets.
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A low stone wall has only 6 facets PER RUN, so the saving is very considerable.
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I will gladly consider any suggestions that you come up with.

Skipper,

I was just checking out Cromer Pier you had on ShareCG before and you have alot of fences on the Pier itself. I’m using my Acer netbook because my desktop computer crashed. The Acer only has 1 GB RAM and a 1.60 GHz processor and using Poser Pro 2010, Cromer Pier loads and renders just fine. I’m thinking that if this bare bones computer can render the Pier with no problems, modeling the posts and railings for the cliff face may work. I’d have to load it and try rendering to make sure.

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Posted: 19 June 2012 03:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 57 ]
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You may well be right, Cherokee, but that is not the whole story, is it?  When we are talking about safety fences on the cliff, we are taking about memory use ADDITIONAL to that already made.  When folks load a model, they also want to load a figure - or two, or three.  Men fighting, women gossipping, playing with children or flashing the flesh. Animals maybe.  And figures usually mean clothing.  Figures and clothing - these gobble up resources at a fantastic rate.  Take almost any published render and by far the greater memory use is in figures, clothing and immediate artefacts - a coach, car, aeroplane, gun and so on.  For 99% of users, characters are central; they do not want their computers to be entirely taken up by scenery.  Indeed, for most folks, models such as mine are relegated to the background; admired perhaps but then ignored save for setting the scene.
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For artists such as myself, this poses ethical problems as well as practical ones.  How much is too much?  I am jealous for my work; I want to make it better and better, but I have to keep restraints in mind.  I am tough-minded and am quite prepared to say, “If my model is too heavy on resources for your puny laptop, then delete something or move on to another model; mine is not for you.”  It has not happened yet, but if it did, it would make little difference to me - I am not paid save by the appreciation of that miniscule 1% who have the civility to say “Thank you.”  Nevertheless, that same imp who sits on my shoulder and criticises my work also criticises my relationships with others. I want others to like and to use what I make.
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What then? Somewhere, somehow, one has to strike a balance; make a judgement.  In this particular case,  I think that I will complete just about everything and then take a look at the numbers.  If they are reasonable and not TOO much above those of previous models such as the shopping centre or Buck House, then I will in all probability make a good job of the safety fences.  One cannot say fairer than that.

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Posted: 25 June 2012 07:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 58 ]
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Skipper,

Where you been and how’s the Pier going?

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Posted: 25 June 2012 11:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 59 ]
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Hi Cherokee.  I had a couple of days not feeling very bright, but the bulk of my time has been taken up with the pier, especially in reducing the number of polys and in that, have been quite successful.  It has been a bit like the old story of a duck - nothing happening above, but paddling like mad underneath.  In other words, there is little that I can show you that is new or different, but I know that it is more efficient.  It begins to look good for reasonable safety rails.
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I want to do the lifeboat station again and in a few days will post an update pic.
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Posted: 25 June 2012 02:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 60 ]
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Sounds like you’re gonna push the boat out ... smile

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