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Posted: 02 February 2013 03:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 76 ]
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Coldrake - 02 February 2013 03:16 AM
DanaTA - 02 February 2013 02:52 AM

And something nobody has considered…what if there are two products with the same file name, either in geometries or textures, and it’s all lumped into one generic folder.

I’ve bought thousands of product from DAZ since the day they opened and that’s never happened. The files are going to be the same whether you use the manager or install it yourself.

Coldrake

personally I’m adopting a wait and see approach but I can see how it would be possible to have this occur…after all much as I love DAZ products I also buy from other stores and some things do have very similar names and I have even seen some mat files with the same names.

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Posted: 02 February 2013 08:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 77 ]
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I’m a little bit surprised to see so much negativity. Then again, many appear to misunderstand what it is and what it does.

This thing is a vast improvement over the old installers.

Edited to elaborate:

- You don’t have to use it. Content will be supplied in zips, so use whatever suits you best.
- It can download your entire order history with a few clicks—assuming your internet connection is up to it, and also assuming that DAZ’s servers don’t melt shortly after this goes live.
- It can install any number of products with a few clicks.
- As with the old installers, content can be installed wherever you please. The defaults are intended for technically challenged newbies.
- Unlike the old installers this program can be fixed and improved.

I could go on… Is it perfect in its current state? No, but the old approach has no advantages over this.

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Posted: 02 February 2013 08:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 78 ]
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You won’t be forced to use DIM but I prefer it over website downloads and single zips/installers because:

DIM can be used as a download manager only (without using it as your install manager) and much easier than dealing with the current state of the website itemized history/purchase list. nuff said lol

It’s great as an installer too because even single products can have 4 separate zips/installers. And I tend to buy in batches so I’d have 20 to hundreds of zips to install at once… DIM installs about a hundred zips in 2 minutes without me clicking through each one.

You can define several folders as download folders, and define several “runtimes” or content folders as install folders.

I have acquired quite a collection over the years (heh) and have a system of runtimes I’m used to… but have a lot of mess in there too. How much stuff don’t I even use or will never use again! And I used to have to not think about orphan files from stuff I’ve moved or deleted… ugh. Since DIM makes it so easy, I took the opportunity to completely overhaul and install everything again into a more logical and efficient library. So it’s good for new users but also very good for long timers overdue for a cleanout.

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Posted: 02 February 2013 08:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 79 ]
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Occasionally I fix or improve DAZ files or use willingly an older version (as DAZ ‘improved’ the functionality), so I’d rather not have the installer blatantly copy over already existing files. Installing these into a new location would simply yield duplicate files.

I could really live with the current download / install system if there’d be a decent way to get to know when a product was updated - no, a forum post is not a decent way - and just using the installer for that does not seem feasible.

So in the end, for me the installer is not a product I’d even try.

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Posted: 02 February 2013 08:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 80 ]
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DanaTA - 02 February 2013 03:40 AM
Coldrake - 02 February 2013 03:16 AM
DanaTA - 02 February 2013 02:52 AM

And something nobody has considered…what if there are two products with the same file name, either in geometries or textures, and it’s all lumped into one generic folder.

I’ve bought thousands of product from DAZ since the day they opened and that’s never happened. The files are going to be the same whether you use the manager or install it yourself. The DAZ Install Manager isn’t going to change any of the file names, why do you think it would?


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Thousands…you’ve checked every one to see if there are no files in texture with the same name?  I didn’t say the DIM will change the name, I said the OS will ask if there is a duplicate name if you want to overwrite the original one.  This actually was concerning the generic folder idea, not the installers or the DIM.

How many files have you seen with the name reflection.jpg?  Or gold.jpg?  I’ve seen a few, and I haven’t checked all of my installed content, not by a long shot.

Dana

I’m not understanding the issue here - where has it been suggested that textures or OBJ files will be lumped together in a generic folder? We can actually see how the content is set up, at least on the first draft, if we look at some of the older content that has been converted to zip already and the folder organisation is much as it was before, nor can I imagine that products that have been released recently were not set up as they would be for the IM even while being delivered in an installer. Where there’s debate is over having a top-level folder in the library folder(s) named for the creator, with sub-folders for the product, or having a top-level folder nbamed solely for the product.

(As an aside, duplicate names of textures and geometries should be at least rare as Poser is, or was, inclined to grab the first file it found with the right name even when the path in the library folder was complete and correct - so non-unique names would have generated errors ere now quite aside from installer issues.)

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Posted: 02 February 2013 09:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 81 ]
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Question: if I am using it only as a download manager - will it tell me about updated products?

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Posted: 02 February 2013 09:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 82 ]
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RAMWolff - 01 February 2013 03:19 PM

According to the video DAZ has a NEW designated Content folder location…. don’t know why they did this but it’s:

C:\Users\Public\Documents\My DAZ 3D Library

I know why they did it.  I always run my modern systems (Vista and Win7 and Win8) as a “Standard” user.  If you installed Studio as a Standard user you need to provide the Administrative password to do the installation.  That convinces the Studio installer that you are the administrative user and seems to put an entry in the Registry so that when you install content and let the location go to the default value it gets put into the administrator’s Documents folder instead of your own Documents folder, which of course you can’t see when logged in as yourself.  I went crazy trying to find where the hell my content was going to. (*grrr*).  It appears that rather than fixing the problem, DAZ in their infinite wisdom has simply added another layer to it to make it appear farther away and thus illusionally smaller. o.O

Putting the content in “public” means that at least you can see and modify it.  Of course if you have multiple users with separate libraries that means that “public” is not a good default location.  But who runs multiple users with separate libraries?  Well, perhaps schools.  I admit that the tool looks like it could accomodate new users and remove some confusion but only if you buy DAZ products, and if the product works exactly right and is properly maintained beyond the life of the original programmer.  We know what happened to the website!!!!!

I was going to write a definitive tutorial about the total philosophy of content management in Poser and DAZ but decided that nobody would read a 20 volume encyclopedia.  Thank you DAZ you’ve now made it necessary for another volume. 8-s

Of course for us old-timers with 5,000 models in our libraries, we’re not going to rush out and reinstall everything just to let it be mis-managed by yet another miraculous software contraption from DAZ.

 

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Posted: 02 February 2013 09:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 83 ]
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araneldon - 02 February 2013 08:08 AM

I’m a little bit surprised to see so much negativity. Then again, many appear to misunderstand what it is and what it does.

This thing is a vast improvement over the old installers.

Edited to elaborate:

- You don’t have to use it. Content will be supplied in zips, so use whatever suits you best.
- It can download your entire order history with a few clicks—assuming your internet connection is up to it, and also assuming that DAZ’s servers don’t melt shortly after this goes live.
- It can install any number of products with a few clicks.
- As with the old installers, content can be installed wherever you please. The defaults are intended for technically challenged newbies.
- Unlike the old installers this program can be fixed and improved.

I could go on… Is it perfect in its current state? No, but the old approach has no advantages over this.

The issue, for me, came up with the “Highly recommended’ Reinstall everything to a clean folder part.  Every time something is “Highly recommended” to be used, I worry that it’s because they’re going to assume going forward that everyone is using it, and eventually not using it is going to screw something up.  And I have no real interest in a complete rebuild.  (Not to mention I’ve misplaced some non-Daz Zip folders from stores that don’t exist anymore.)

I’m glad they’re going to Zips.  That’s fine.  Great even.  I won’t miss the old installers for a moment.  And using it as a download manager is probably a viable option for me.  Maybe.  Depending on how much bandwidth it sucks up.  I’m not sure about our data limits, but I do share the house with two other people who use computers, one of whom has a tendency to stream TV shows, and the other who plays on-line games.

But I’ve yet to be convinced that using the DIM as an installer is going to be worth the hassle of a complete rebuild.  And it will be a hassle.  Because after being able to customize which content library a product is installed to, it will still be a mess of non-standardized product folders that require reorganization into something that works for me.  I’m still trying to get the damn Content Manager set up into something workable, since the defaults absolutely do not work for me at all.  and no, I’m not going to rely on just the Content Manager for organization, since I still default to working from the Content Libraries.

Unless I can tell the DIM that “Skimpy outfit #326” should have it’s top user level folders in “Victoria 4/Wardrobe/Skimpwear”

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Posted: 02 February 2013 09:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 84 ]
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OK I partly know the answer but will ask anyways…..What about content I have gotten out of magazines like “3D world” and “3d Artist”? Those arn never going to be in my downloads list and there are also some models I got via a Daz permotion off of a CD they sent me from someones desk at Daz….lol. I know part of the answer, but, was hoping for an official one from Daz.

There is also all of the content that I converted to Genesis…Morphs,Clothes,poses,and animate content…..
how will that affect me I wonder. I guess I will just have to be very carful what content I decide to do this with.

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Posted: 02 February 2013 09:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 85 ]
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It’s not as if the installers are dumping all .obj in Geometries with no subfolders, same with textures. I haven’t worried about duplicate texture names for literally years. Even with the three different gold and silver reflection images that have been floating around the poserverse for years. There is nothing inherent in the zip files that would be any different from the exe’s.

I have had problems with pose names but they only happen when I start organizing files myself. If I want all the sitting poses of michael 4 in one folder, for example, I can’t unless I re-name a bunch which have names such as pose 1, pose 2, or the like.

 

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Posted: 02 February 2013 09:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 86 ]
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Posted: 02 February 2013 10:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 87 ]
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DAZ_Spooky - 01 February 2013 04:58 PM

You will not need to reset your order history, the software handles that for you.

Is there an option to limit how much it grabs? I dn’t know about the US, but in many parts of the world there are caps on monthly bandwidth with punitive top-up fees for going over (and soem of us have big histories).

And specifically what it grabs. smile Sorted all sorts of ways.

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Posted: 02 February 2013 10:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 88 ]
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Proxima Shining - 01 February 2013 05:53 PM
Xfitz - 01 February 2013 05:52 PM

Maybe I missed it while skimming thru the three pages of comments, but where and when can we download the DIM?

Nowhere, it is not available yet. But it should be soon (not “DAZ soon”). I just got a newsletter in which it is stated that PC members will be contacted about it next week.

This tool redefines DAZ Soon. smile

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Posted: 02 February 2013 10:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 89 ]
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RAMWolff - 01 February 2013 07:30 PM

Part of my concern Spooky one…. is that many of us choose to create our own directories within the Genesis default directory of People>Genesis.  Clothing is split up ... see screen grab.  The same for the Character sets and what I consider Fantasy sets are all in their own directories, makes finding stuff easier for me.  Another concern is starting from scratch, a year later with literally Gigs of content to redownload and install is that it’s mixed up with ALLOT of stuff from Renderosity and some fabulous freebies from JoeQuick, Wilmap and others.  So it’s really not SEEMING advantageous to go through all this.  Convince me otherwise because trying to figure out how to split all that out from the data folder, texture folder and all the rest is going to be ALLOT of work.

Exactly how is a tool supposed to know where you moved things to after install? Or how you renamed things?

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Posted: 02 February 2013 10:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 90 ]
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I was really looking forward to this tool to help keep on top of file updates but if I have to download everything again for it to work that is a show stopper. Some of what April has said means it might have a limited use for downloading and I’ll look at it when it comes out, but I can’t see me being able to use it as Daz may want…
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What I assumed DIM would be was a database linked to your Itemized Order History that checked what you had installed and told you when it was updated (excluding DSON and Metadata additions), without having to download everything again before it recognise them.
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I have a 10Gb download limit a month and trying to get this working to start with would blow that.
I don’t have superfast broadband, it would take days to download everything again.
I don’t download on only one pc, but I install on one, and to get this to recognise everything I would have to download on that one.
I *want* to keep current backup copies that I can install again if I want/need, without downloading again.
I have a few Weekly freebies I downloaded but never installed because I’ll probably never use them, I keep them ‘just in case’. I still don’t want them installed.
Like Arcane, I have things off 3d World and 3D Artist, like V5, which I’d never buy but I have her ‘just in case’ I need her.
I don’t want the *recommended* clean install because that would mess up all the categorising I’ve done
I have my DS3 and Ds4 runtimes, I don’t want to add in yet another location to my Content Library as suggested in the video, would mess with my backups too - so I need a *really* good explaination why I should.
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So like many I am not seeing this as useful any more, if version 2 comes with a database-import/content interrogation feature of my current folders instead of downloads it might be usable in the future.

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