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The All About Aiko 5 Thread
Posted: 27 January 2013 09:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Hellboy - 27 January 2013 08:20 PM

Because, if you search anime guys you’ll see there are a lot of different styles. But the comparison show the same Hiro 4 with minor tweaks, so I can’t tell if H5 is on the right or left. All I can see is one of them has slightly smaller eyes, rounder face and stuff like that, but not enough to say wich is the newer version.
Just scroll up and down your comparisons and tell me that’s a whole new character worth $40.

I showed the Hiro 5 page to an otaku friend, she thought he was horrible (me too, since I always hated H4), then I showed her Hiro 4 and she asked what’s the difference between them. All it came to my mind was, “well, this one seems to have bigger eyes maybe”.

The Hiro 5 Render Thread is 2 pages long and I really never heard of him again, actually, I never heard of him outside DAZ and the initial release. I’m sure we would have seem more of him if he was more than a H4 variant.

Whatever they have planned Aiko to be, I just hope its something new.

Well, I used to be an otaku and I can say, from both in and out of the culture, and the simple fact that I actually have and used both of them, that they look different. And no offense, because not only as a former otaku do I know this first hand, but because I know many other otakus to this day: many of us don’t have very keen tastes or senses of good artistic judgement for that matter. In fact, its a big stereotypical criticism that we get. tongue rolleye

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpdElySRAoA

But all teasing aside. Yes, there are many various ways to articulate something in an “anime” style, but really, every character has signature features that gives it commonality with others, whether it the big head with the big eyes or something else. That’s why it’s a genre, because it has standardized vision. And like I told you before in the Freak 5 Promo thread, as much as we do expect DAZ to sell us something we don’t already have, the objective of the Iconic Characters is simply to provide us with a base to work off of.

Trust me when I say, I know what you mean. I actually thought that H4 looked a lot like H3 at first, but boy was I wrong. It wasn’t when I tried modeling H4 in the same way as I did H3 was when I immediately noticed how different of a character I was working with. H3, in my opinion, like A3, was cute, warm and toony like an actual anime boy, while H4, on the other hand, felt more posh, cold and princely and just looked, as DaWaterRat put it, like an androgynous alien hybrid. A4 was even worse! As even I explained, DAZ was only trying to blend anime style with a modern J-pop appeal, but the way it just turned out in the form of 3D male and female base figures were just cringe-inducing. And the thought of the two of them with realistic V4 & M4 skins? *Shivers* But Hitomi & Hiro 5? Nothing but positive feedback from this happy customer, which goes to show that both MallenLane and DAZ learned from this “figure faux pas”.

Still, this is why I think this may the reason why we’re getting both Hitomi AND Aiko in the same generational run, one explores each of the two aspects in it’s proper respect instead of just abominating them into one hybrid.

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Posted: 27 January 2013 09:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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With how disappointed I am with Hiro 5 I am not sure if I am looking for to Aiko 5.

When I compare the bases alone, Hiro 5 seems unfinished

I got the teen morphs and even Stephanie 5 and was thrilled to have them. Hiro 5 I got because it was on sale fore like 10 dollars with my pc discount

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Posted: 27 January 2013 10:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Regardless if Aiko 5 brings something significantly new to the Genesis gene pool or not, you know there will be a ton of extra content released along with her.  That’s more what I’m curious to see than Aiko 5 herself.  I like Aiko and Hitomi, but I don’t really do straight-up anime renders.  I’ve mostly just used them for small mix amounts with V5.

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Posted: 27 January 2013 10:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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I can’t help wondering if Hiro5 had been given a different name, like Hitomi had, would there have been a demand for Aiko5?

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Posted: 27 January 2013 10:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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jestmart - 27 January 2013 10:36 PM

I can’t help wondering if Hiro5 had been given a different name, like Hitomi had, would there have been a demand for Aiko5?

Quite probably.  Even after Hitomi came out, before there was a Hiro 5, people were hoping for Aiko 5, and Hitomi is a PA Product, while Hiro and Aiko have always been Daz Originals.

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Posted: 28 January 2013 01:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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cwichura - 27 January 2013 10:15 PM

Regardless if Aiko 5 brings something significantly new to the Genesis gene pool or not, you know there will be a ton of extra content released along with her.  That’s more what I’m curious to see than Aiko 5 herself.  I like Aiko and Hitomi, but I don’t really do straight-up anime renders.  I’ve mostly just used them for small mix amounts with V5.

EXACTLY! Even if I don’t like and never use the base character itself, the rest of the Pro Bundle always finds a way into my renders and characters concepts. wink

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Posted: 28 January 2013 04:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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RCDeschene - 27 January 2013 08:12 PM

*Throws you a towel*


I get your point re third wheel possibility, but honestly, not everyone enamored with Aiko 3 who added to her popularity used her in conjunction with Hiro 3, nor even as an anime figure per se. I don’t think the same will happen with Hitomi whose anime-ness is quite obvious (and adorable).

It’s possible that it may be the folks who didn’t concentrate on anime with A3 who will be the ones who will determine the ‘fate’ of A5. But I, of course, don’t know the size of the various markets for A3. I do know that in the U.S. anyway, stuff for A3 tended to be more on the non-anime end after the initial push.

 

 

 

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Posted: 28 January 2013 04:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Maybe we’ll finally get a true Genesis version of ‘0009’ when she’s released.  I want that jacket on Genesis, but the transfer utility smears the buttons into these oval shapes and its unusable.

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Posted: 28 January 2013 10:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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cwichura - 28 January 2013 04:32 AM

Maybe we’ll finally get a true Genesis version of ‘0009’ when she’s released.  I want that jacket on Genesis, but the transfer utility smears the buttons into these oval shapes and its unusable.

Rigidity maps should help you with that, but I have not used that feature myself.

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Posted: 28 January 2013 10:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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RCDeschene - 27 January 2013 08:12 PM

*Throws you a towel*


I get your point re third wheel possibility, but honestly, not everyone enamored with Aiko 3 who added to her popularity used her in conjunction with Hiro 3, nor even as an anime figure per se. I don’t think the same will happen with Hitomi whose anime-ness is quite obvious (and adorable).

It’s possible that it may be the folks who didn’t concentrate on anime with A3 who will be the ones who will determine the ‘fate’ of A5. But I, of course, don’t know the size of the various markets for A3. I do know that in the U.S. anyway, stuff for A3 tended to be more on the non-anime end after the initial push.

Maybe among the professional artists she’s used in non-amine-oriented ways, but trust me when I say that the Aiko & Hiro groups on places like DeviantART are FLOODED with pure A3/H3 faces, A3 more so than H3. Even so, I think that was always a general idea with Aiko, that she was built in a way that one could use her more psudo-realistically for an anime-esque style character. This is probably why we’re getting both. Those of us like myself and RKane_1, to reference, still demanded an actual Aiko 5 after Hitomi’s release because we knew that she was, in fact, the more realistic alternative, which is good for fantasy and game-inspired characters.

Still, we all can agree that, even if none of these facts turns out to be the case for her this round, if she does go on to follow Hitomi & Hiro 5’s style, she will still sell simply because she’s Aiko and the “third wheel female figure” is very much a safe marketing action for DAZ as proven by Stephanie.

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Posted: 28 January 2013 10:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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you know the Hiro 5 product line was kind of blahhh as well

I usually get the start or pro bundles

this time around there was nothing I really wanted to get in either

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Posted: 28 January 2013 11:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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I came into this hobby shortly after A4 came out, and she never really grabbed me.  I always had an appreciation for some of the outfits and characters for A3, but I rationalized that I shouldn’t spend my limited budget on “outdated” products, which I regret now, I think I really missed out.  So, I’m hoping for more of a A3 feel than A4.

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Posted: 28 January 2013 11:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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I wandered in a bit later than that, and ended up picking up some really cool A3 stuff which I turned out to never use, because I never used Aiko. Well, 3 years later I’m getting to use quite a bit of it. Not everything, since long dresses are still fairly hopeless. It always helps if the skirts are separate, since you can often scale and parent them

Actually, the reason I never used AIko was because of the way the Gen3 characters show up in my content lists. It seems like just about every tiny morph is a separate item in the list and it’s all just thoroughly unapealing.

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Posted: 29 January 2013 01:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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HeraldOfFire - 27 January 2013 02:41 PM

I have to ask, is there a group of individuals who scour the documentation area for hints on new releases? It always seemed odd to me that people happened upon such things in there, so I can only assume someone’s eagerly checking to see when they’re added. I’m guessing no sign of K5 yet then.

I have an .RSS feed of the “Recent changes” page from DAZ product wiki; every couple of hours my system automatically goes to check if new pages are added, and if so, it tells me about them. This is perfectly ordinary standard for many web pages and wikis. There are days when I can’t be bothered to check the full web site (this usually involves staying in bed and working through my RL issues), but quick text stuff is more than enough to convince me that the world still exists and oh hey, freakin’ cool, man, I wonder what that is about.

Nothing stranger than that.

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Posted: 29 January 2013 03:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Skiriki - 29 January 2013 01:15 PM
HeraldOfFire - 27 January 2013 02:41 PM

I have to ask, is there a group of individuals who scour the documentation area for hints on new releases? It always seemed odd to me that people happened upon such things in there, so I can only assume someone’s eagerly checking to see when they’re added. I’m guessing no sign of K5 yet then.

I have an .RSS feed of the “Recent changes” page from DAZ product wiki; every couple of hours my system automatically goes to check if new pages are added, and if so, it tells me about them. This is perfectly ordinary standard for many web pages and wikis. There are days when I can’t be bothered to check the full web site (this usually involves staying in bed and working through my RL issues), but quick text stuff is more than enough to convince me that the world still exists and oh hey, freakin’ cool, man, I wonder what that is about.

Nothing stranger than that.

Ooh! How can I do that? smile

But yeah, I actually went into the 15000 - 15999 section of the ReadMe page and new tab-clicked like a motherf**ker! grin

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