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Posted: 08 June 2013 08:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 436 ]
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tunggul1101 - 07 June 2013 08:02 AM

I have a custom genesis shape that I created via zbrush. Will SRMS work if I tried to fit clothes to my custom genesis shape?

No, probably not.  SRMS works by adding FBMs from the smooth templates, and since your new shape has not been added to the templates, it wouldn’t be part of the system.


Would you like instructions on adding it yourself?  I’m not familiar with Zbrush yet but I can be generic.

Yes please, that would be awesome.

Ok, starting with the bodysuit:

Load Genesis.  Dial in your morph and set the scale to 100%.
Load the SRMS bodysuit.  Conform to Genesis and let it pick up your morph via Autoconform.
Make Genesis invisible.
Export the morphed bodysuit to obj.
Import it to your modeler.
Adjust and smooth it until it fits the way you want clothing to fit.  Different morphs need different adjustments; most females will require a lot of smoothing in the breast area.
Export from the modeler to obj again.
In DAZ Studio, select the bodysuit and start Morph Loader Pro.
Load up your altered bodysuit as a morph.  Don’t change the name at any point, so it will overwrite the generated one.
When it’s overwritten, make Genesis visible to make the update show.
Select the body suit and save as— And down in the Assets dialogue choose Morph.  Check just your morph to save it to the template and the library.

If you delete the bodysuit and reload from library, it should now properly conform with your altered morph, and I THINK this will cause it to show up when rigging/converting with TU as well.  (If not we may need to copy the morph to the Projection Templates folder in data/DAZ 3D/Genesis as well.)


Repeat this process with the dress and boots to add your morph to those templates.


EDIT to add:

Remember, the dress base clings to the legs, but a lot of my FBMs are morphed to hang straight.  This is because you don’t usually want that coke bottle shape to a skirt or gown.  Take this into account when creating your dress base FBMs.

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Posted: 08 June 2013 08:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 437 ]
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I don’t have many V4 things installed atm (other than scifi/fetish skimpy things hanging on by mere threads), but if the rest of my installs go this smoothly then this product was well worth the purchase. =D

The Artik-X boots came out good too following that (albeit lengthy) process with the yellow template things. Autofit mangled the toe of one of those. Luckily I don’t have much V4 footwear. lol

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Posted: 08 June 2013 08:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 438 ]
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Woman to woman, “I love you, man.”

Bobbie’s Alice dress and Cris/Will’s Gothic Lolita. These two were pretty much unusable on Genesis last time I tried in DS4.

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Posted: 08 June 2013 09:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 439 ]
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Awesome. grin  They look very nice.

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Posted: 10 June 2013 05:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 440 ]
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Product doesn’t seem to work for me when I need it to. This is the second time out of 2 tries that it has let me down. What a waste so far.

I have a V4 skirt (V4 Denim Skirt by BILLY-T (www.billy-factory.com)) and I can’t do anything with it to make it fit properly. :(

Conversion actually decreases the fit of the skirt moving it too far forward rendering it useless. Adding the smooth modifier to the process further distorts the skirt by opening up the seams. I saved it as a wearable hoping that the initial distortion I saw was an artifact but it wasn’t.  I’m following the instructions and I even tried a number of different clone/projection template combos but to no avail.

As a matter of fact I get better but still unacceptable results when just using the smooth modifier by itself (again the seam issue).

If anyone has any ideas I would really appreciate your sharing. Thanks.

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Posted: 10 June 2013 06:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 441 ]
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Can we get a render of the issue?

Did you try fitting the dress to the SRMS clothing instead of the figure? That was put forward earlier in the thread and has some advantages.

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Posted: 10 June 2013 07:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 442 ]
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“Can we get a render of the issue?

Did you try fitting the dress to the SRMS clothing instead of the figure? That was put forward earlier in the thread and has some advantages.”

I have no idea what you are saying.

I tried to use it 2 ways.

1) I fit the item to genesis then went straight to the Transfer Utility as skirt is now triax weighted.

2) I kept the skirt off the figure triax weighted it and then fit it to the figure and went on from there.

You have to fit the garment to a figure in order to use the transfer utility. I used both srms and other choices for the projection template but it didn’t matter at all.

Btw the .dsf that is generated in the data sub folder is useless as it won’t load. The .duf saved under figure, which you have to do as part of the saving process (not in the manual btw) reflects the errors I previously laid out.

Software purportedly designed to help end users shouldn’t be written and documented this poorly so that one has to resort to a discussion thread and use workarounds. I used to be a business systems architect and wrote plenty of code in my day so I know whereof I speak.

Extremely unhappy with this product. Wish I could get my money back.

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Posted: 10 June 2013 07:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 443 ]
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Tman300 - 10 June 2013 05:40 PM

Product doesn’t seem to work for me when I need it to. This is the second time out of 2 tries that it has let me down. What a waste so far.

I have a V4 skirt (V4 Denim Skirt by BILLY-T (www.billy-factory.com)) and I can’t do anything with it to make it fit properly. :(

Conversion actually decreases the fit of the skirt moving it too far forward rendering it useless. Adding the smooth modifier to the process further distorts the skirt by opening up the seams. I saved it as a wearable hoping that the initial distortion I saw was an artifact but it wasn’t.  I’m following the instructions and I even tried a number of different clone/projection template combos but to no avail.

As a matter of fact I get better but still unacceptable results when just using the smooth modifier by itself (again the seam issue).

If anyone has any ideas I would really appreciate your sharing. Thanks.

Yes, pics, please.  Did you save to library, delete, and reload before fitting to Genesis?  Are you posing with the skirt handles?


It’s possible the seam issue is just not resolvable owing to the initial geometry being split there (some artists will do that, most know not to now).  Turning down the smoothing samples to 1 may help avoid that while still letting you have collision.

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Posted: 10 June 2013 07:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 444 ]
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Tman300 - 10 June 2013 07:47 PM

Arkathan

“Can we get a render of the issue?

Did you try fitting the dress to the SRMS clothing instead of the figure? That was put forward earlier in the thread and has some advantages.”

I have no idea what you are saying.

I tried to use it 2 ways.

1) I fit the item to genesis then went straight to the Transfer Utility as skirt is now triax weighted.

2) I kept the skirt off the figure triax weighted it and then fit it to the figure and went on from there.

You have to fit the garment to a figure in order to use the transfer utility. I used both srms and other choices for the projection template but it didn’t matter at all.

Btw the .dsf that is generated in the data sub folder is useless as it won’t load. The .duf saved under figure, which you have to do as part of the saving process (not in the manual btw) reflects the errors I previously laid out.

Software purportedly designed to help end users shouldn’t be written and documented this poorly so that one has to resort to a discussion thread and use workarounds. I used to be a business systems architect and wrote plenty of code in my day so I know whereof I speak.

Extremely unhappy with this product. Wish I could get my money back.

Do a support ticket and ask to return it.  DAZ will give you your money back.

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Posted: 10 June 2013 08:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 445 ]
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Sorry Sickleyield I was just venting at the end of that last comment as I’ve been working on this for hours now. Really would like to get this to work.

To clarify the process I am following let me list the steps.

1) I bring the skirt into the scene attached to nothing.
1) I triax rig the skirt.
2) I start the transfer utility and enter the info as laid out in the manual.
3) The skirt automatically snaps to the genesis figure.
4) I save the duf and enter the info as set forth in the manual.
5) I delete the skirt and exit DazStudio without saving the scene.
6) I restart DazStudio and try to use the skirt.

Getting into more detail has raised some other questions as well.

1) I am choosing bodysuit tight as the projection template as I write this. Haven’t gotten the bodysuit/dress/pants sms to yleld good results with the skirt so far. Is it required that we use them?

2) During the save process, what content type is the garment supposed to be saved under?
I keep choosing garment/skirt although it defaults to actor. Should I leave it alone?

3) One thing that I do notice is that the default genesis figure is used in all the manual illustrations. Is this to a requirement as I am using a customized genesis character?

Here is a pic of the seam issue with smooth modifier applied in the new rigging of the skirt. I have no explanation, but the really poor fit issue seems to have gone away.

Thanks

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Posted: 10 June 2013 08:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 446 ]
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Tman300 - 10 June 2013 08:37 PM

Sorry Sickleyield I was just venting at the end of that last comment as I’ve been working on this for hours now. Really would like to get this to work.

To clarify the process I am following let me list the steps.

1) I bring the skirt into the scene attached to nothing.
1) I triax rig the skirt.
2) I start the transfer utility and enter the info as laid out in the manual.
3) The skirt automatically snaps to the genesis figure.
4) I save the duf and enter the info as set forth in the manual.
5) I delete the skirt and exit DazStudio without saving the scene.
6) I restart DazStudio and try to use the skirt.

Getting into more detail has raised some other questions as well.

1) I am choosing bodysuit tight as the projection template as I write this. Haven’t gotten the bodysuit/dress/pants sms to yleld good results with the skirt so far. Is it required that we use them?

2) During the save process, what content type is the garment supposed to be saved under?
I keep choosing garment/skirt although it defaults to actor. Should I leave it alone?

3) One thing that I do notice is that the default genesis figure is used in all the manual illustrations. Is this to a requirement as I am using a customized genesis character?

Here is a pic of the seam issue with smooth modifier applied in the new rigging of the skirt. I have no explanation, but the really poor fit issue seems to have gone away.

Thanks

If you’re using bodysuit tight you’re not actually using SRMS.  That’s a default DAZ template. 


The content type (actor vs. skirt) doesn’t matter to functionality; it’s metadata.  Just make sure you save as a figure/prop, not as a wearables preset.  Wearables presets are intended for loading multiple preexisting pieces onto a figure at once, not for saving a clean base copy to library.


Ideally you should be using the SRMS dress template for a skirt and then following the JCM instructions to improve bending with the skirt handles.


You absolutely do need to use default Genesis when rigging, or you will get bad fit results.  This falls under “do not morph or move
before saving to library.”  The skirt will try to pick up those morphs from the figure and will therefore ruin fit in most cases.  That’s why that instruction is repeated so many times.


(EDIT TO ADD)  There’s nothing you can do about the seam issue except turn smoothing off in Parameters.  The skirt wasn’t made to be conversion-friendly and the geometry is inappropriately split for that application.

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Posted: 10 June 2013 08:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 447 ]
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Ok just tried to use it and none of the fit morphs are working. The original shaping morphs (length width… of the skirt function just fine however.

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1) a wild choice for a fit morph that yields nothing

2) the skirt adjustment morphs ok.

I’ll try everything as vanilla as possible using sms bodysuit and then pants

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Posted: 10 June 2013 09:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 448 ]
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Thanks Sickleyield. I’ll follow what you laid out in your last post.and give it a whirl. Thanks again for your quick replies.

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Posted: 10 June 2013 09:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 449 ]
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Tman300 - 10 June 2013 09:00 PM

Thanks Sickleyield. I’ll follow what you laid out in your last post.and give it a whirl. Thanks again for your quick replies.

No problem.  Sometimes it can take a little practice to get going on the process.

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Posted: 10 June 2013 10:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 450 ]
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Ok Sickleyield,  I’ve done everything as instructed - used default genesis actor,  used the SRMS dress template for projection template. None of the fit morphs are working and I have no clue as to what might be wrong. I even reinstalled the whole runtime for the outfit and tried again but to no avail. The outfit was designed in 2007 according to the readme so that might have something to do with it.

Other possibilities/fixes:

1) Could DazStudio crashing a couple of times today have corrupted the SRMS installation? Maybe I need to delete it and reinstall it from scratch. I rebooted each time it happened.

2) Could installing the new 4.6 (I currently run 4.5.1.56 Pro 64 bit)  fix this? I am really grasping at straws here.

I had fit morphs working on the skirt but I can’t remember what morphing scheme I had injected (v++, midori?). I have used that technique somewhat successfully with other clothes that didn’t have good fit morphs, although it probably shouldn’t have worked.

At this point I’ll just look for another denim mini skirt. Shame to have wasted $18 on the outfit and textures. I’ll thoroughly check the readme next time before I buy.

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