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Posted: 22 March 2013 02:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 286 ]
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I’m a little confused with something…

Is there a way to rig an item to fit something other than genesis default shape? I have an object clothing that fits genesis child.  I want to rig it, but even if i select current genesis shape, the rig scales the new clothing WAY down, it won’t fit genesis. It’s smaller than genesis child.

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Posted: 22 March 2013 03:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 287 ]
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Btw, I’m seriously LOVING how easy it is to rig.  Somethings are hard to convert, like from ooooold clothes….

But I took this older outfit for LAURA, called Oriental Fantasy http://www.daz3d.com/oriental-fantasy

It was one of the first things I ever bought from Daz ^^ my first ever render was with that outfit. smile

So, it was with GREAT EXCITEMENT that it easily converted to Genesis!
Laura doesn’t have a bust, so it was an easy thing to do.  Anyone interested, this is how!
load each item from Laura. Load genesis. convert each clothing item to triax weight mapping.
Scale each item and position a little bit if necessary, to fit default genesis.  When it’s pretty close, turn on smoothing and collision to collide with genesis. start with the base dress. Turn the collision settings so that if you turn genesis invisible, the collision is still holding!!! that’s important.  Turn everything but the dress invisible, and export the dress as an object.
Now import the object dress, and run the transfer utility and use the rigging from Sickle Yield’s templates. Save as described. smile
repeat for other dress items, but have them collide with the dress, or the tunic as you go up in layers.

it worked awesomely!!! I’ve even converted a COOKIE CLOTHING outfit!!!!  OMG.

It’s not limitless because I haven’t figured out how to fit something that won’t match the default genesis shape T_T So whatever I’m “converting” has to be somewhat similar to genesis base shape.

If anyone has tips on how to convert something to a NON DEFAULT genesis shape…

I could n’t get A3 stuff to convert :’(

But at least this laura outfit works smile I only managed to convert one A3 outfit by flattening the bust and making it fit genesis default, and rigging it.

I never do things the easy way??? LOL.

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Posted: 22 March 2013 05:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 288 ]
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belovedalia - 22 March 2013 02:32 AM

I’m a little confused with something…

Is there a way to rig an item to fit something other than genesis default shape? I have an object clothing that fits genesis child.  I want to rig it, but even if i select current genesis shape, the rig scales the new clothing WAY down, it won’t fit genesis. It’s smaller than genesis child.

I’m not a content creator but my understanding is that even if you’re creating an object for the Child morph, it should be scaled to fit full-sized Genesis. Then when you apply the child morph DAZ will helpfully scale it to the child for you.

I am seriously impressed with your method of converting non-supported figure clothing! I’ll have to try that! I have some old Apollo Max stuff here, not to mention all these clothes for Luke, Laura, and the Preschoolers…. thanks for posting such detailed instructions!

As for the A3 thing, well, the easy way is probably to buy the A3 Shape and do it through Transfer Utility. smile I’ve attached a conversion I did of the free Aiko Eve Dress. This was not without issues: initially the dress loaded with much of the chest and neck missing, which I was able to fix by dialing Collisions up to 10, setting the Smoothing type to Generic, and dialing Smoothing up to 4. Still requires occasional tweaking for pokethrough on the legs and as you can see I have a bit of work to do on the neckline. But I chose this dress specifically because it was going to be tricky… floor-length with a train plus nearly skintight… so overall I am happy with how few adjustments it’s taking. smile

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Posted: 22 March 2013 09:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 289 ]
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belovedalia - 22 March 2013 02:32 AM

I’m a little confused with something…

Is there a way to rig an item to fit something other than genesis default shape? I have an object clothing that fits genesis child.  I want to rig it, but even if i select current genesis shape, the rig scales the new clothing WAY down, it won’t fit genesis. It’s smaller than genesis child.

Katfeete is right, you do have to convert at 100% scale regardless of morph.  Rigging for just one Genesis morph is a topic for other forum threads (if you search you should be able to find it).

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Posted: 22 March 2013 10:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 290 ]
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SickleYield - 22 March 2013 09:50 AM
belovedalia - 22 March 2013 02:32 AM

I’m a little confused with something…

Is there a way to rig an item to fit something other than genesis default shape? I have an object clothing that fits genesis child.  I want to rig it, but even if i select current genesis shape, the rig scales the new clothing WAY down, it won’t fit genesis. It’s smaller than genesis child.

Katfeete is right, you do have to convert at 100% scale regardless of morph.  Rigging for just one Genesis morph is a topic for other forum threads (if you search you should be able to find it).

Okay… well its doable for non Gen4 figures with work.  smile

Still its mightily cool!! And I’m trying to do a lot of cool stuff with your new tools and SY you outdid yourself… everything converts SOOOOOOO much better, autofit is usable now!!! It was a mess before. This is fantastic. :D Only had that one ball gown skirt not convert properly- the rest was excellent so far :D SQUEEEEEEEEE

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Posted: 22 March 2013 10:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 291 ]
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belovedalia - 22 March 2013 02:32 AM

I’m a little confused with something…

Is there a way to rig an item to fit something other than genesis default shape? I have an object clothing that fits genesis child.  I want to rig it, but even if i select current genesis shape, the rig scales the new clothing WAY down, it won’t fit genesis. It’s smaller than genesis child.

Katfeete is right, you do have to convert at 100% scale regardless of morph.  Rigging for just one Genesis morph is a topic for other forum threads (if you search you should be able to find it).

Okay… well its doable for non Gen4 figures with work.  smile

Still its mightily cool!! And I’m trying to do a lot of cool stuff with your new tools and SY you outdid yourself… everything converts SOOOOOOO much better, autofit is usable now!!! It was a mess before. This is fantastic. :D Only had that one ball gown skirt not convert properly- the rest was excellent so far :D SQUEEEEEEEEE

I’m glad you’re happy with it. grin


Use Morph, not Clone?  Usually when someone can’t get a long skirt to look right it’s because they used Clone.

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Posted: 22 March 2013 10:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 292 ]
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ooooooooooh okay, I’ll try that now!!

Thanks smile Seriously, between LAMH and THIS, i am in heaven. Oh right and luxus. World complete. YUP…. haha. ^^
woooo :D

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Posted: 23 March 2013 01:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 293 ]
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Finally played around with this, and after a few initial failures (I was overthinking the process of how to save the altered items) I’ve gotten the hang of Chapter 1 (Rigging) and Chapter 6 (adding morphs). Here’s one of Valandar’s Renegade Shirts*, with added FBMs for V5, V5 Supermodel, S5, S5 Model, and S5 Curvy. The character has each of these dialed to 50% (the edge is a little jagged—because of the polygon mesh I guess—but I wouldn’t be likely to use this on such a busty character anyway). I found the instructions very easy to follow (except for how to save…but that may have been my own fault).

I also re-rigged the notoriously clingy Scoopback Minidress and the bridging is working beautifully now.

Next I’ll be tackling conversion of 4th Gen items (I’m excited about this too, but unlike probably most people it isn’t the main reason I bought it).

I’d like to see the S4 shape added in a future update, but that’s really minor compared to how useful this already is. Thank you for an awesome product, Sickleyield! grin

*The Renegade Shirts do contain some good female FBMs with bridging, such as V4 and Basic Female. But they predated S5 and Valandar didn’t have access to V5 at the time.

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Posted: 23 March 2013 01:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 294 ]
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belovedalia - 22 March 2013 10:24 AM

ooooooooooh okay, I’ll try that now!!

Thanks smile Seriously, between LAMH and THIS, i am in heaven. Oh right and luxus. World complete. YUP…. haha. ^^
woooo :D

I also picked up Luxus and (thanks to you) LAMH recently, and I have to agree with the general sentiment. smile

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Posted: 23 March 2013 04:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 295 ]
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Scott-Livingston - 23 March 2013 01:47 PM

Finally played around with this, and after a few initial failures (I was overthinking the process of how to save the altered items) I’ve gotten the hang of Chapter 1 (Rigging) and Chapter 6 (adding morphs). Here’s one of Valandar’s Renegade Shirts*, with added FBMs for V5, V5 Supermodel, S5, S5 Model, and S5 Curvy. The character has each of these dialed to 50% (the edge is a little jagged—because of the polygon mesh I guess—but I wouldn’t be likely to use this on such a busty character anyway). I found the instructions very easy to follow (except for how to save…but that may have been my own fault).

I also re-rigged the notoriously clingy Scoopback Minidress and the bridging is working beautifully now.

Next I’ll be tackling conversion of 4th Gen items (I’m excited about this too, but unlike probably most people it isn’t the main reason I bought it).

I’d like to see the S4 shape added in a future update, but that’s really minor compared to how useful this already is. Thank you for an awesome product, Sickleyield! grin

*The Renegade Shirts do contain some good female FBMs with bridging, such as V4 and Basic Female. But they predated S5 and Valandar didn’t have access to V5 at the time.

Nice!  I’m glad you’re getting good results.


As far as I know there’s no S4 Genesis (link?), or it would be included already (as S3 and S5 are).  Including Gen X morphs is somewhat problematic and is unlikely to be added in an update.

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Posted: 23 March 2013 04:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 296 ]
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SickleYield - 23 March 2013 04:24 PM

As far as I know there’s no S4 Genesis (link?), or it would be included already (as S3 and S5 are).  Including Gen X morphs is somewhat problematic and is unlikely to be added in an update.

Here you go. IIRC, she was released, then pulled from the store for a long while, but she came back up again at some point.

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Posted: 23 March 2013 04:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 297 ]
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SickleYield - 23 March 2013 04:24 PM

As far as I know there’s no S4 Genesis (link?), or it would be included already (as S3 and S5 are).  Including Gen X morphs is somewhat problematic and is unlikely to be added in an update.

Well, there is
http://www.daz3d.com/stephanie-4-for-genesis

Though IIRC it was not always available, but was 1st released as bonus to I think the V4M4 shapes bundle….

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Posted: 23 March 2013 04:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 298 ]
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As far as I know there’s no S4 Genesis (link?), or it would be included already (as S3 and S5 are).  Including Gen X morphs is somewhat problematic and is unlikely to be added in an update.

Well, there is
http://www.daz3d.com/stephanie-4-for-genesis

Though IIRC it was not always available, but was 1st released as bonus to I think the V4M4 shapes bundle….

Jeepers!  I can’t believe I missed her. O.O I LOVED S4 for Gen 4.  It’s sad that they didn’t include anything remotely like her eight additional custom FBMs, but at least we get base S4.  Thank you both, that’s in the cart with today’s MM goodies and will go in the update with another thing I can’t discuss yet.

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Posted: 23 March 2013 06:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 299 ]
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SickleYield - 23 March 2013 04:24 PM

As far as I know there’s no S4 Genesis (link?), or it would be included already (as S3 and S5 are).  Including Gen X morphs is somewhat problematic and is unlikely to be added in an update.

Well, there is
http://www.daz3d.com/stephanie-4-for-genesis

Though IIRC it was not always available, but was 1st released as bonus to I think the V4M4 shapes bundle….

Jeepers!  I can’t believe I missed her. O.O I LOVED S4 for Gen 4.  It’s sad that they didn’t include anything remotely like her eight additional custom FBMs, but at least we get base S4.  Thank you both, that’s in the cart with today’s MM goodies and will go in the update with another thing I can’t discuss yet.

Yeah but SickleYield ,with GenX you can add those custom FBM’s morphs to her ..... I think anyway ,I’m still feeling my way around GenX .....

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Posted: 23 March 2013 11:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 300 ]
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belovedalia - 22 March 2013 10:24 AM

ooooooooooh okay, I’ll try that now!!

Thanks smile Seriously, between LAMH and THIS, i am in heaven. Oh right and luxus. World complete. YUP…. haha. ^^
woooo :D

Visit rendo sickle’s store!!! Products for fix hat breast, and clip (clothes in layers) are the stuff more useful that I bought.

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