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Posted: 06 June 2012 02:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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I haven’t touched it and I don’t plan on it. If I wanted that desktop I’d buy a Windows phone.

I actually HAVE a Windows phone, and I love it, but I agree with you: if I wanted a tablet OS, I’d buy a tablet. If I hold off upgrading long enough, I might be able to leapfrog Win8 (assuming it turns out to the train-wreck it appears to be shaping into) in favor of Win9.

I’m hoping to be able to do the same. I just barely upgraded to Windows 7 in October. I was running Windows XP Pro 32bit quite happily, but when I did a complete ground-up rebuild for Battlefield 3 I figured it was time to move over (I was starting to feel a little left out of the loop LOL), and I also changed to 64bit in the process (and love the taste of more than 3gb ram).


I loved WinXP. I was looking forward to Vista, but after playing around with it on a machine I bought my folks for Christmas a couple of years ago, I held out for Win7 before upgrading my own machines, and so I have no problem doing the same thing again with Win8. Right now, it’s just a question of which essential Windows feature I use that Microsoft will refuse to continue Win7 support for (the way they did with WinXP and DirectX 10—tried to push the gamers onto Vista to get the new features).

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Posted: 06 June 2012 02:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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I was using Xp pro X64 till like 2010 on most of my machines. I actually got DirectX 10 to work on it and it was running fine.

I too only recently upgraded to windows 7 and I am pretty happy with it.

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Posted: 06 June 2012 03:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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Vaskania - 05 June 2012 08:06 PM

I haven’t touched it and I don’t plan on it. If I wanted that desktop I’d buy a Windows phone.

I actually HAVE a Windows phone, and I love it, but I agree with you: if I wanted a tablet OS, I’d buy a tablet. If I hold off upgrading long enough, I might be able to leapfrog Win8 (assuming it turns out to the train-wreck it appears to be shaping into) in favor of Win9.

I’m hoping to be able to do the same. I just barely upgraded to Windows 7 in October. I was running Windows XP Pro 32bit quite happily, but when I did a complete ground-up rebuild for Battlefield 3 I figured it was time to move over (I was starting to feel a little left out of the loop LOL), and I also changed to 64bit in the process (and love the taste of more than 3gb ram).


I loved WinXP. I was looking forward to Vista, but after playing around with it on a machine I bought my folks for Christmas a couple of years ago, I held out for Win7 before upgrading my own machines, and so I have no problem doing the same thing again with Win8. Right now, it’s just a question of which essential Windows feature I use that Microsoft will refuse to continue Win7 support for (the way they did with WinXP and DirectX 10—tried to push the gamers onto Vista to get the new features).


I skipped Vista completely, never even tried it. My game of choice at the time was the original COD:MW, which used DX9, so I had no need for higher.

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Posted: 06 June 2012 03:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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kdimi - 06 June 2012 01:18 PM

I recently bought a Laptop and installed Ubuntu… unlike Windows, every driver was installed out-of-the-box, while on another Windows partition I installed I had to install several drivers separately. I’m using it for .NET development and all-day-things and so far I had not once the need to switch to Windows at all or missed anything that I would use Windows for.

That’s a change—last time I tried to Linux a laptop built for XP I couldn’t find a single Linux distro that I could get the drivers working on without a major hassle.  I thought of a lot of my clients and shuddered at the thought of them trying Linux.

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Posted: 06 June 2012 11:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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...meh, don’t remind me. 


If history repeats itself, it will be a toad like Vista. and all the other “so called even numbered” releases.

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Posted: 07 June 2012 02:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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Windows 8 is not a desktop system. I tested it and will not buy it. It is even more a disaster then Windows Vista was.

For desktop users even simple things like turning off the computer is more complicated. This is nonsense and waste of time. I never had an OS before me and felt like I don’t know what to do. After hours I randomly found out how to do things. And even as I knew what to do, it really was time consuming for everything simple on Win7.

Windows XP still has more then 50% of Windows share, even as Win7 is much easier, nicer and really great, stable product. People telling me, they don’t upgrade because it is to hard to get used to Win7. Now think how these please think about Win8. No, I will let this version pass and get Win9 when they reverted these changes (I hope so). Win8 is not a multitasking system. It is nice for tablets etc. but not for me and my 10 open programs.

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Posted: 07 June 2012 03:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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PaulSW - 07 June 2012 02:22 AM

Windows 8 is not a desktop system.

This is an important point.

Windows 8 isn’t a desktop system. Its designed to be a cross device system, similar to the way MAC OS/iOS is heading. Microsoft don’t need it to be the best OS on the market, they just need enough people to see the benefit of having one OS and control scheme for all their devices.


If, and its a big if, they can get enough people on board, it will be a success. Microsoft doesn’t care about the people who understand their computers well enough to dual boot wine or ubuntu, nor are they making w8 for people who will only ever use their desktop.


Its an OS squarely aimed at the mass market, at people who just want things to work, and work on all their gadgets, much the same way Apple has been operating. They want people to buy a w8 phone or tablet that operates in largely the same way their Xbox does, then upgrade their home computer to w8 to take advantage of the ecosystem it provides.


Its very much about the complete package, and about locking people into their ecosystem, their app store, their hardware/hardware partnerships. Preferably before Apple or Google beat them to it.

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Posted: 07 June 2012 03:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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Fabulous….
Because we all needed yet another dumbed down interface designed to be “intuitive” and encourage new users that completely ignores the needs of the long term and experienced users.
Just great.


You do make good points there Loaar. From that point of view it all makes sense.
I think anyone who uses their computer to actually get some work done will stick with Win7.

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Posted: 07 June 2012 03:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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Isn’t it interesting to see how MS begs their users to go to Apple which has iOS for mobile/tablets and MacOS for desktops. This is the right way, these two operating systems work nicely together but have the right tools for every situation. Windows 8 is a cow that don’t want to be a cow anymore but be a bird that flies. Let’s see what comes out of this experiment. wink

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Posted: 07 June 2012 06:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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It seems that MS is destined to crash and burn.

On my workstation, which I got in 2008, it’s 64-bit Windows Vista. On my laptop, which I got later (replacing my LG laptop with WinXP 32-bit), I have Windows Vista (32-bit, but with much better performance). I loved XP when I first tried it out after migrating from Win98SE. At the time I considered the XP to be the end-all OS, and I still have this view. But for certain tasks, like GAMING, I needed to ‘upgrade’. And though Vista bombed, I got it late enough to have gotten most things fixed.

For my next OS, three are 3 choices; Win7, OSX or Linux.

I use Windows-only programs in certain respects, though I can migrate to Apple with most of what I have got. So, this rules out Linux,as most programs can’t run on it natively (I really dislike the need to use an emulator!).

So there’s two realistic choices; MS or Apple. From my experiences, I have always kept things simple; eg., I killed Aero and set the UI to ‘classic’ (to remove distraction and max. performance).

Apple is a lot more expensive, so I’d fall into the Win7 cathegory, and do the same thing I did with Vista, remove the unecessary stuff and make it a super-sleek OS that runs smoothly without distractions.

What comes after Win8 is anybodys guess, but my major priority, which MS seems to forget; I don’t like clutter and distractions!!

Keep it simple. Don’t introduce learning curve, and make the transition smooth. Win8 is something I’d rather stay long away from, thank you…

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Posted: 07 June 2012 08:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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I’ve been running and checking out Windows 8 in VMware Workstation and I find that the interface is a piece of crap.

Seriously, in my opinion, during the installation I should be able to have a choice as to whether or not Windows is going to be installed on a desktop, laptop or a tablet. It adjusts itself accordingly to the user experience for any one of those devices. Not here this is what we give you and that’s it.

Yeah.

Windows 7 is the new XP.

Hate 8.

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Posted: 07 June 2012 10:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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Just remember - W8 is pronounced “WAIT”

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Posted: 07 June 2012 10:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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> Old machine is a Celeron 2.6 with only 1.2 GB of RAM, 128MB graphics card, and Vista 32-Bit.
> New machine is a Quad-Core 3.4GHz AMD Black, 12GB or RAM, two GTX460 1GB graphics cards, and 64-Bit Windows 7.


Windows 7 is absolute crap compared to Windows Vista and Windows XP, and the new Windows 8 is even worse.  The screen redraw performance on Windows 7 went dramatically downhill, it can’t even redraw a simple text list properly without flickering sometimes.  There is a notable framerate drop ever since Windows 7, and as far as I’m concerned, Microsoft conned me into buying this OS by making out it’s a real performer.


It performs like sh*t.


My advice, AVOID at least until those incompetent a$$es get the redraw technology sorted.  It’s still using the same crap as Windows 7 as far as I can tell, certainly feels like it, nowhere near as fluid as XP or Vista.  And as for the whole interface thing and the desire for a tablet-like OS. what can I say other that thank Apple and the millions of people that get sucked into buying their products.


But yeah, in case you hadn’t guessed by now, I won’t be buying, but here’s a little tip for anyone that does:


With this new OS Microsoft are almost sinking to Apple levels and it’s getting to the point where you have to tie a machine to your identity.  Read very carefully when you first run the OS, because on first glance it looks as if you need to supply an email address, but if you look at the options again, you don’t.  They haven’t quite reached Apple’s level of manipulating it’s customers, but it’s 99.9% there now.


The only hope we have now, as consumers, to combat all this touch-device crap is to use an OS that cannot be manipulated by these companies.  You need to start looking at Linux.  For now, it’s not as polished as the main players, but it’s the only option you have for a digital future where you’re not used as a constant marketing tool by commercial datamining asses like Apple, Google, and Microsoft.

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Posted: 07 June 2012 11:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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pumeco - 07 June 2012 10:39 AM

> Old machine is a Celeron 2.6 with only 1.2 GB of RAM, 128MB graphics card, and Vista 32-Bit.
> New machine is a Quad-Core 3.4GHz AMD Black, 12GB or RAM, two GTX460 1GB graphics cards, and 64-Bit Windows 7.


Windows 7 is absolute crap compared to Windows Vista and Windows XP, and the new Windows 8 is even worse.  The screen redraw performance on Windows 7 went dramatically downhill, it can’t even redraw a simple text list properly without flickering sometimes.  There is a notable framerate drop ever since Windows 7, and as far as I’m concerned, Microsoft conned me into buying this OS by making out it’s a real performer.

It performs like sh*t.

LOL. You have a fairly modern system there and Windows 7 is choking? Sorry I find that hard to believe. What you may be interpreting as a Windows fault may not necessarily be a Windows fault rather somewhere in there maybe a slight hardware fault. A bottleneck or drivers even.

Praising Vista is… blasphemous. /shudder.

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Posted: 07 June 2012 12:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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pumeco - 07 June 2012 10:39 AM

> Old machine is a Celeron 2.6 with only 1.2 GB of RAM, 128MB graphics card, and Vista 32-Bit.
> New machine is a Quad-Core 3.4GHz AMD Black, 12GB or RAM, two GTX460 1GB graphics cards, and 64-Bit Windows 7.


Windows 7 is absolute crap compared to Windows Vista and Windows XP, and the new Windows 8 is even worse.  The screen redraw performance on Windows 7 went dramatically downhill, it can’t even redraw a simple text list properly without flickering sometimes.  There is a notable framerate drop ever since Windows 7, and as far as I’m concerned, Microsoft conned me into buying this OS by making out it’s a real performer.


It performs like sh*t

You should not be choking or performing like crap with those specs, unless its the AMD cpu. wink
I’m running an I7-2600K w/ OC throttle enabled, 8GB Corsair Vengeance lowpro, and also have SLI’d 2x GTX 460s (mine are from the EVGA superclocked line) running in W7 64bit and it handles everything I throw at it.. from games to graphics to audio to video. You might have an actual hardware issue going on, or some crapware on your machine that shouldn’t be there.

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