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Posted: 13 January 2013 07:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Proxima Shining - 13 January 2013 02:09 PM

or maybe they go with “it is Genesis, so a pose can be used on every figure”.

Which is a major issue for me, because one pose does not fit all, each character morph DAZ releases has a modified rig and as such needs it’s own poses, as using poses for other characters are just as likely to push hands into bodies and feet into shins as they are to work.

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Posted: 13 January 2013 10:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Girls are girls and boys are boys. Pffff. Silly humans.

Besides, everyone knows the girly poses are all created by lonely men with lots of silly notions in their heads of the ‘perfect’ woman. cheese

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Posted: 14 January 2013 12:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Mattymanx - 13 January 2013 02:53 PM

Male stuff does not sell well.  It never has compared to the stuff for girls.

...which is really sad. Even in the toon genre female content way out does male character content. Just look at the offerings for Sam, Gramps, and Gosha (both commercial and freebie) compared to those for Sadie and Mavka.

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Posted: 14 January 2013 12:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Harry Dresden - 13 January 2013 10:40 PM

Girls are girls and boys are boys. Pffff. Silly humans.

Besides, everyone knows the girly poses are all created by lonely men with lots of silly notions in their heads of the ‘perfect’ woman. cheese

Girls will be boys and boys will be girls
It’s a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for Lola
Lo-lo-lo-lo Lola

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Posted: 15 January 2013 10:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Mattymanx - 13 January 2013 02:53 PM

Male stuff does not sell well.  It never has compared to the stuff for girls.

For the record, my Waiting in Line Too set outsold Waiting in Line, much to my surprise.  And with my Before… poses the male versions sold more than the female.  So, in these cases, the male poses outsold the female. But on the whole, Matty is correct.

I just found this thread, so forgive my lateness to the party.

I try, on the whole, to design my poses with gender in mind.  Men and women hold themselves differently.  And I do a LOT of research before I begin a set, just so I make sure that I’m getting it right.  But sometimes, I think, that if a pose isn’t dynamic and exciting, there is the urge to make it so because dynamic and exciting translates into sales/interest.  And that means a lot of poses out there tend to be more exaggerated and over the top, and therefore making it hard to find realistic poses, or gender neutral ones.

I try to cover both male and female in my sets (or I make counterpart sets), because I know there’s a difference between genders in terms of balance and center of gravity. 

And to address the issue of Genesis and poses that Bejaymac brought up - no, not every pose translates across the board.  I have to be honest, I have a hard time when making a set to narrow in on what shape to support because a pose that works on, for example, Genesis Basic Male will not look the same on M5 Superhero.  It requires extra tweaking by the end user to get the pose to look right.  (Don’t even get me started on the Basic Female to V5 pose conversions. Lol.) So do I make a set that covers the base and looks off on the other shapes, or do I make a set that encompasses many shapes with all the pricing problems that that entails?  Or do I make a bunch of sets for the same poses, tailored to specific shapes - but who’s going to buy all that in a market that is already inundated with free pose sets?  I really would love to be able to support ALL the Genesis shapes, but I don’t see how I can do that from a practical standpoint.  So I would like to hear from you all which shapes you’d like to see support for, and I will do my best to accommodate. 

I appreciate the candor of this thread.  As a pose maker, I try to listen and make notes of requests for poses that people are looking for.  I want to know what people are looking for - apart from the pin-up poses. I think that side of the market is well and truly covered. (Besides, I did Timeless Beauty and filled that square, so there. raspberry ) Lol.

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Posted: 15 January 2013 12:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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For myself, since I tend to use the base characters at something other than full strength, Base female/male or V5/M5 for adult/universally appropriate poses, and the young teens for teen-tween appropriate poses works well enough for me.

I have both the waiting in line poses, and frequently use them as a base to modify into what I need.

I don’t know who did the Julie/Justin poses that came with the Young Teens pro-pack, but I know one of the two sets is kinda what set me off on this.  Three walking poses for Justin.  One for Julie.  Justin also got a couple of football poses.  Julie had one pose that could be dance or gymnastics.  (and all of Julie’s sitting poses in that set were sitting on the ground.)  More of the good ol’ “Boys act, girls are” stereotype.  Kinda a pain when you’re trying to show a girl who acts.  (Or kicks.  I’m seriously thinking of enlisting my daughter in making my own set of Taekwondo for Genesis poses.)

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Posted: 15 January 2013 02:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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DaWaterRat - 15 January 2013 12:01 PM

For myself, since I tend to use the base characters at something other than full strength, Base female/male or V5/M5 for adult/universally appropriate poses, and the young teens for teen-tween appropriate poses works well enough for me.

I have both the waiting in line poses, and frequently use them as a base to modify into what I need.

I don’t know who did the Julie/Justin poses that came with the Young Teens pro-pack, but I know one of the two sets is kinda what set me off on this.  Three walking poses for Justin.  One for Julie.  Justin also got a couple of football poses.  Julie had one pose that could be dance or gymnastics.  (and all of Julie’s sitting poses in that set were sitting on the ground.)  More of the good ol’ “Boys act, girls are” stereotype.  Kinda a pain when you’re trying to show a girl who acts.  (Or kicks.  I’m seriously thinking of enlisting my daughter in making my own set of Taekwondo for Genesis poses.)


When I was in high school - in the late 90’s, even! - girls played volleyball, basketball, soccer, and track and field (I threw shotput and discus, albeit very badly).  The kids at the bigger schools had swimming, tennis and golf.  My sisters were in a self-defense class as well.  Dance and gymnastics were for kids whose parents could afford expensive private lessons, so few kids did them.


In the pose maker’s defense, though: dance and gymnastics do not require additional props for most poses.  The sports I named mostly do.  I suspect that is probably much more of a factor than unconscious gender discrimination.  And martial arts poses are another kettle of fish entirely because they are so complex and difficult - you don’t see a ton of those in general.  The ones you do see seem to all be male, though, and that is sad.  I would love to see you do some Taekwondo poses.

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Posted: 15 January 2013 02:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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I think the point is that a lot of the time, female sets are model poses -showing off, standing or seated, while the male poses are more likely to be active. It’s something I’ve noticed, and chuntered at, before.

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Posted: 15 January 2013 02:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Looking over my own pose sets, both free and for sale, the set “Caiman Crew” has the most non feminate poses for the girls that I have ever done.  But even then you can still see the difference between the M4 and V4 poses.  Oddly enough, I did not enjoy making that pose set as much as all the others cause to me they seemed dull in comparison to my other female poses.  They seem dull to me cause it does not flow with all that I learned in years past with regards to drawing.  All my training and influence for drawing revolves around comic books, specifically Marvel Comics and though I cannot draw to save my life I honestly could not betray all that I learned in regards to human posture and movement.  There are certain rules in drawing that apply very well to posing characters in 3D.

If you want to read my two cents on posing from scratch, please see here - http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/14711/#213991 - as I touch on why I recommend looking at it from a drawing perspective.  And in all honesty, learing to do your own poses is extremely satisfying.

Richard Haseltine - 15 January 2013 02:37 PM

I think the point is that a lot of the time, female sets are model poses -showing off, standing or seated, while the male poses are more likely to be active. It’s something I’ve noticed, and chuntered at, before.


You are correct.  Part of the reason why I stay away from doing modeling poses for girls is that they have been over done and in general are of little use beyond a pin up render.

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Posted: 15 January 2013 02:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Richard Haseltine - 15 January 2013 02:37 PM

I think the point is that a lot of the time, female sets are model poses -showing off, standing or seated, while the male poses are more likely to be active. It’s something I’ve noticed, and chuntered at, before.

Well, you can get male model poses (DZheng has some great ones) or a huge variety of poses depicting women as victims of violence (something DAZ does not support, bless ‘em) but you certainly are right about action/proactive poses for women.  This is also why I’m a big fan of Structure as mentioned earlier.

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Posted: 15 January 2013 03:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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For myself, since I tend to use the base characters at something other than full strength, Base female/male or V5/M5 for adult/universally appropriate poses, and the young teens for teen-tween appropriate poses works well enough for me.

I have both the waiting in line poses, and frequently use them as a base to modify into what I need.

I don’t know who did the Julie/Justin poses that came with the Young Teens pro-pack, but I know one of the two sets is kinda what set me off on this.  Three walking poses for Justin.  One for Julie.  Justin also got a couple of football poses.  Julie had one pose that could be dance or gymnastics.  (and all of Julie’s sitting poses in that set were sitting on the ground.)  More of the good ol’ “Boys act, girls are” stereotype.  Kinda a pain when you’re trying to show a girl who acts.  (Or kicks.  I’m seriously thinking of enlisting my daughter in making my own set of Taekwondo for Genesis poses.)


When I was in high school - in the late 90’s, even! - girls played volleyball, basketball, soccer, and track and field (I threw shotput and discus, albeit very badly).  The kids at the bigger schools had swimming, tennis and golf.  My sisters were in a self-defense class as well.  Dance and gymnastics were for kids whose parents could afford expensive private lessons, so few kids did them.


In the pose maker’s defense, though: dance and gymnastics do not require additional props for most poses.  The sports I named mostly do.  I suspect that is probably much more of a factor than unconscious gender discrimination.  And martial arts poses are another kettle of fish entirely because they are so complex and difficult - you don’t see a ton of those in general.  The ones you do see seem to all be male, though, and that is sad.  I would love to see you do some Taekwondo poses.

if there had been two more Julie walking poses, and one more gymnastics/dance pose, I probably wouldn’t have really noticed.  But since she had 2 “active” poses to Justin’s 5, it stood out.

(My High school was large enough than even in the mid-80’s, we had Volleyball, Basketball, Track and field, Soccer, Gymnastics, swimming, tennis, badminton and softball teams for both boys and girls.  We also supported a dance team.  But it was a big school, with about 2/3 of the students being “upper middle class”)

Believe me, I can understand how Martial Arts poses are difficult.  I get to watch my daughter practice.  smile Doing a pose set with her would probably help her too, since she sometimes flows a little quickly from one movement to the next when doing her forms, so having to hold at each point while I snapped a couple of pictures might help her remember to pause between each one.

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Posted: 03 February 2013 08:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Okay, so… I don’t know if anyone still cares, but my Taekwondo pose project has both been delayed, and gotten a little more complicated, but in a good way.

I spoke to my daughter’s instructor (she was the head instructor under the previous owner and just bought the school from him) about the project and that I was willing to offer my services to help make illustrated charts for the kids once the project was done.

Well, my daughter’s instructor is also a photographer.  and she has a green screen.  And is willing to help me take the pictures in a massive photo session or two, and then, once I get the poses done, spread the word to other schools, possibly all the way up the line and get them some sort of official recognition. As in I could make money from this.

But we also agreed to wait until after the March Tournament, since my daughter’s schedule is a little booked between Taekwondo classes, rehearsals for a Speech and Drama competition, the Constitution test and the state standardized testing.  All of which is over just before the tournament.

So… yeah.  that’s where I am on my Taekwondo poses project

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Posted: 03 February 2013 10:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Hey, that’s awesome!  I’ll look forward to seeing them when they’re done. grin

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Posted: 04 February 2013 07:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Harry Dresden - 13 January 2013 10:40 PM

Girls are girls and boys are boys. Pffff. Silly humans.

Besides, everyone knows the girly poses are all created by lonely men with lots of silly notions in their heads of the ‘perfect’ woman. cheese

The girls’ “battle wear” seems to have the same problem :D

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Posted: 05 February 2013 12:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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...actually Xurge does a pretty decent job with his futuristic battle wear as It leaves little to nothing exposed. 

Never understood the rationale of running into a high threat situation with one’s midsection unprotected. A shot to the gut, especially from a modern assault weapon, is one of the worst as it can do a heck of a lot of internal damage and can often be fatal.

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