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magaremoto - 08 January 2013 03:29 PM

I mean Pgware Superram ( http://www.pgware.com/products/superram/ ). Actually I never trust in apps like that but since the installation, C8 keeps working faster especially when you stop the rendering and make some refinements on your scene

I wept a little when I clicked that link. Windows Memory Manager is excellent and extremely well-tested. It does not need any help—these sorts of programs tend to fake things by purging caches. I view these companies as out to trick people who don’t understand Windows internals.

If you are having performance problems, there are a variety of tools in Windows or available for free (http://www.sysinternals.com) that can help you figure out what is going on and what you can do to correct it.

magaremoto - 08 January 2013 03:29 PM

I got to use up to 10 gb of ram on 16 but do not know how and why, and during the rendering cpus are always at 100%. I’d like to know if anyone will have the same response.

High CPU use is totally expected during rendering. 10 GB / 16 GB RAM is not a problem in itself. I don’t have enough information to say for sure what is going on here. What other applications (besides Carrara) are you running? Your performance problems are likely paging.

3drendero - 08 January 2013 03:07 PM

I know, you are all non-believers, but nowadays with OCCT, you are missing out on a free upgrade.

Believe me; I get it. I know why people overclock—honestly, I think it is less about the “free upgrade” and more about the geeky tinkering involved.

Alas, I don’t have the link so that I can properly share this with you; but I was reading Raymond “Old New Thing” Chen’s blog a few years back. He related a tale about some bizarre Windows crashes that could not be explained. You know when Windows crashes and it asks to send info to Microsoft? Please send it. I promise you that every single one is analyzed—I worked on the SQL Server that stores those crash reports.

At any rate, the crash reporting showed a bunch of crashes that could not be traced to any known problem. Eventually, the analysts got permission from Microsoft Legal to contact some of the customers directly (a big no-no usually). It turns out…every single one of them was overclocking…

So the “free upgrade” isn’t really accurate. AMD and Intel know that people are going to do this. Geeks tinker. Nothing will stop that. So instead of releasing chips that can go as fast as they can possibly make them—they intentionally hold back and give geeks some room to play with the clock speeds. So today’s chips can “safely” overclocked; but all that is really being done is setting the chip to its originally intended spec.

I don’t want to rain on your parade (as he looks out the windows and sees the miserable weather hanging over Dallas at the moment). Overclock. Enjoy. I just want my computers to be rock-solid stable.

Garstor - 08 January 2013 08:45 PM

magaremoto - 08 January 2013 03:29 PM

I mean Pgware Superram ( http://www.pgware.com/products/superram/ ). Actually I never trust in apps like that but since the installation, C8 keeps working faster especially when you stop the rendering and make some refinements on your scene

I wept a little when I clicked that link. Windows Memory Manager is excellent and extremely well-tested. It does not need any help—these sorts of programs tend to fake things by purging caches. I view these companies as out to trick people who don’t understand Windows internals.

If you are having performance problems, there are a variety of tools in Windows or available for free (http://www.sysinternals.com) that can help you figure out what is going on and what you can do to correct it.

magaremoto - 08 January 2013 03:29 PM

I got to use up to 10 gb of ram on 16 but do not know how and why, and during the rendering cpus are always at 100%. I’d like to know if anyone will have the same response.

High CPU use is totally expected during rendering. 10 GB / 16 GB RAM is not a problem in itself. I don’t have enough information to say for sure what is going on here. What other applications (besides Carrara) are you running? Your performance problems are likely paging.

I totally agree with you garstor but I grabbed superram up in a magazine for free and after installation to try it out, things have gone better and better; I think it’s being related to ram management by MB (temp issues) rather than W7 ultimate, anyway now I feel satisfied with it and appear to be stable too

Garstor - 09 January 2013 06:48 AM

3drendero - 08 January 2013 03:07 PM

I know, you are all non-believers, but nowadays with OCCT, you are missing out on a free upgrade.

Believe me; I get it. I know why people overclock—honestly, I think it is less about the “free upgrade” and more about the geeky tinkering involved.

Alas, I don’t have the link so that I can properly share this with you; but I was reading Raymond “Old New Thing” Chen’s blog a few years back. He related a tale about some bizarre Windows crashes that could not be explained. You know when Windows crashes and it asks to send info to Microsoft? Please send it. I promise you that every single one is analyzed—I worked on the SQL Server that stores those crash reports.

At any rate, the crash reporting showed a bunch of crashes that could not be traced to any known problem. Eventually, the analysts got permission from Microsoft Legal to contact some of the customers directly (a big no-no usually). It turns out…every single one of them was overclocking…

So the “free upgrade” isn’t really accurate. AMD and Intel know that people are going to do this. Geeks tinker. Nothing will stop that. So instead of releasing chips that can go as fast as they can possibly make them—they intentionally hold back and give geeks some room to play with the clock speeds. So today’s chips can “safely” overclocked; but all that is really being done is setting the chip to its originally intended spec.

I don’t want to rain on your parade (as he looks out the windows and sees the miserable weather hanging over Dallas at the moment). Overclock. Enjoy. I just want my computers to be rock-solid stable.

In my case, it is about using my skills to buy at PC at half the price. Actually hate to change CPU fan and waste an hour on assembling it.

Painfully aware of the random crashes that are caused by overclocks set to above 100%, it was the way to find out the max back in the days before OCCT and it took hours. One PC kept corrupting the Registry when I wanted to quickly find the max, but again, this shit happens above the 100% limit that nowadays can be found quickly with OCCT.

It is a free upgrade, since the other option is to buy the CPU model that runs at full speed from factory at twice the price.

Trust me, also want rock-solid stable computers, but that does not dismiss overclocking when done properly, if you are budget limited.

thank to Garstor I I’ve been thinking more and more about the strange ram issue, so I have made up my mind to update the bios and actually the problem seems solved now; however, the W7 performance index has remained virtually unchanged, then it means that the problem was a “lack of optimization” between the MB and windows and not a bad handling of energy saving as I had supposed