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Posted: 29 December 2012 11:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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larsmidnatt - 29 December 2012 11:16 AM

I think Genesis encourages stacking and recombining of existing morphs for end users, but I wouldn’t expect vendors to over do it.

I’m getting pretty good at making unique sculpted morphs in Blender…and I’m going to keep doing it.  That way, I know how many ‘extra’ packages they’ll need…none, zip, nada, zilch… cheese

And yeah, if something requires a host of other packages, why not just publish the formula and let everyone who has those packages ‘roll their own’...you could still sell texture sets for the ‘morph’ but make the morph itself a ‘bonus’.  And since Genesis can UV swap with ease, a good texture package becomes more valuable…and more usable.  Dial spinning a bunch of existing packages some how feels like a ‘cheat’...if you are going to be selling it.  If you want to sell something, I’d think that unique, sculpted morphs/characters would be more valuable/desirable.

The ‘ranking’ feature I’d like could be something as simple as listing the required morphs with the most important at the top and running to least important. 

Thinking a bit more about this particular morph set, if all G4 is used for is head size, I can think of several other morphs that could be used to get similar results, as they have head size morphs, too…including some freebies.  So in some cases, maybe even a substitution list would be nice…(pipe dream…wishful thinking…not in this reality).

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Posted: 29 December 2012 12:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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I did an experiment.  I uninstalled V5 and Hitomi to see what would happen.  Here are the results.  The one on right is with V5 and Hitomi and the one on the left is without.  Pretty significant difference to me.

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Posted: 29 December 2012 12:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Muon Quark - 29 December 2012 12:17 PM

I did an experiment.  I uninstalled V5 and Hitomi to see what would happen.  Here are the results.  The one on right is with V5 and Hitomi and the one on the left is without.  Pretty significant difference to me.

Wow, that is definitely a noticeable difference, isn’t it? It’s more like a partial morph, still usable without them, but the look is less dramatic. I can see where stacking has a use: it’s easier, when creating a female chara, to make it dial up Genesis Basic Female along with the modifying morph, rather then telling someone “You need to apply Basic female to 78%, scale to 89 %, and apply my XX morph in order to get the same look..”. When packages like V5 and G4 are used to get a full result, though, I can agree it should be noted: if not under a required product listing, then maybe under a recommended product listing.

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Posted: 29 December 2012 12:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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I love this character and I don’t mind that other morphs are needed, but they should be listed.  Otherwise someone who doesn’t have V5 or Hitomi will be disappointed that the morph is not working.

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Posted: 29 December 2012 01:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Yeah, I was pretty unhappy because I don’t have Hitomi and the result doesn’t look as good as promos for me; had to return the product.

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Posted: 29 December 2012 06:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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It looks like V5 is used for minor head shaping, but it looks almost the same without her.
Hitomi provides the eye size and most of the head shape.  She’s essential.
G4 provides much of the head scale, a bit of the head shape, and makes the lips quite a bit larger.  You can probably do without her.
Julie provides the basic overall body shape, but you actually get a fairly good (though somewhat larger and less feminine) fae-type figure without her.
And the Evolution morphs provide most of her distinctive features, including but certainly not limited to the ears.  Without them, you might as well just use it for the textures.

Of course, as this is Genesis, you can just use it for the textures if you want.

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Posted: 30 December 2012 12:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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...hmmm, that’s sad, she’s a really cute character.  I have V5, Young Teens5, and G4 but as I am not much into anime, didn’t pick up Hitomi (particularly since I already have Aiko who can fill that niche If I need her to).

I wonder what happens when you just subtract Hitomi from the equation.


Or for that fact substitute a bit of Sadie or Mavka?

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Posted: 30 December 2012 02:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Kyoto Kid - 30 December 2012 12:43 AM

...hmmm, that’s sad, she’s a really cute character.  I have V5, Young Teens5, and G4 but as I am not much into anime, didn’t pick up Hitomi (particularly since I already have Aiko who can fill that niche If I need her to).

I wonder what happens when you just subtract Hitomi from the equation.


Or for that fact substitute a bit of Sadie or Mavka?

Ditto…I have bought both sets but don’t have hitomi I will have to download them and see how they look.

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Posted: 30 December 2012 12:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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...could you post a pic?

...and if you have either Sadie 0r Mavka, could you try dialing in a bit of them?

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Posted: 30 December 2012 02:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Kyoto Kid - 30 December 2012 12:05 PM

...could you post a pic?

...and if you have either Sadie 0r Mavka, could you try dialing in a bit of them?

I haven’t downloaded yet but will this morning and Ill try it out today sometime.

I will post something as soon as I can.

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Posted: 30 December 2012 02:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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...thanks, no rush as payday isn’t until tomorrow.

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Posted: 30 December 2012 02:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Kyoto Kid - 30 December 2012 02:24 PM

...thanks, no rush as payday isn’t until tomorrow.

No problem just transfered to the computer so I can download while I’m checking out the fugazi tutorials at rendo.

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Posted: 30 December 2012 07:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Kyoto Kid - 30 December 2012 12:43 AM

...hmmm, that’s sad, she’s a really cute character.  I have V5, Young Teens5, and G4 but as I am not much into anime, didn’t pick up Hitomi (particularly since I already have Aiko who can fill that niche If I need her to).

I wonder what happens when you just subtract Hitomi from the equation.


Or for that fact substitute a bit of Sadie or Mavka?

If you just subtract Hitomi, the results do not look good (blue).  30% Sadie Head does seem to be a decent substitute (green).

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Posted: 30 December 2012 07:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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...cool, that looks very close compared to the pic further back in the thread.

One of the beauties of Genesis.

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Posted: 30 December 2012 08:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Okay…beaten to the punch but as I’ve done them I’ll post them anyway
Kelpie no hitomi
kelpie nohitomi point 5 satsuki
kelpie nohitomi point 5 kiyoko
kelpie nohitomi point 5 jasmin
kelpie nohitomi point 5 sadie

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