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New Teens Teeth Issue
Posted: 21 December 2012 06:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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I sent a PM to Thorne. I said:

Thorne,
I noticed that the new Young Teens Justin and Julie have strangely small and widely spaced teeth. They look like baby teeth, not teenage teeth. The promos for those packages do not show any open mouths, but the Faces of Teens do, and those teeth look normal. Did something go wrong with the Justin and Julie models after making the Faces of Teens promo images? Or is some other product interfering and having unexpected consequences? There is a long discussion of the teeth problem in the forums starting about here: http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/13686/P15/#199218
Please help us resolve the problem with the teens, so we can start rendering cute young people who can show their teeth!

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Posted: 21 December 2012 06:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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Nice PM..Now we just have to wait for a response..

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Posted: 21 December 2012 06:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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barbult - 21 December 2012 06:16 PM

I just went back to look at product promo images. Neither Justin or Julie have any images with teeth showing in the promo images. However the Faces for Teens promo images show lots of teeth, and they look fine. I don’t have that product. I wonder if it has a teeth morph fix built into the poses, or is something just went badly wrong with the Justin and Julie models after the promo images were created. Or, I wonder if there is interference from some other package we have installed that affects the teeth in a way the vendor did not anticipate.

Can anyone test the faces of teens to see it those expressions fix the teeth?

The in-program icons for Faces of Teens look like they also have the problem.  The expressions themselves definitely do.

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Posted: 21 December 2012 07:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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I hate false advertising…Wonder how and why the teeth on those expression promos are fine…I want answers:)

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Posted: 21 December 2012 07:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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Murgatroyd - 21 December 2012 06:51 PM
barbult - 21 December 2012 06:16 PM

I just went back to look at product promo images. Neither Justin or Julie have any images with teeth showing in the promo images. However the Faces for Teens promo images show lots of teeth, and they look fine. I don’t have that product. I wonder if it has a teeth morph fix built into the poses, or is something just went badly wrong with the Justin and Julie models after the promo images were created. Or, I wonder if there is interference from some other package we have installed that affects the teeth in a way the vendor did not anticipate.

Can anyone test the faces of teens to see it those expressions fix the teeth?

The in-program icons for Faces of Teens look like they also have the problem.  The expressions themselves definitely do.

Thanks for testing. This seems to be more evidence that something went wrong with the models after promo creation. Perhaps something like what RAMWolf suggested. I am encouraged now that this may not be what the artist intended, and it may get fixed.

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Posted: 21 December 2012 07:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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Thorne is a really reliable merchant I’m sure he/she would be shocked to know that the teeth were a mess.  I know when I was finishing up my Bruno face morphs and BAM… rude awakening.  I found that if your using ZBrush there is an easy fix. Export using GoZ bride to ZBrush.  Hide all the body parts in the general area, including the back of the head (Tool> Display Properties> Double to see the back of the head without turning things) and then using the “inflate” brush tap your mouse over each tooth until it fills back out to the proper size.  When finished Unhide everything and using the GoZ to send it back to DS and resave as a Morph Asset ...

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Posted: 21 December 2012 08:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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Hey guys - Thorne is away for the Christmas holidays until after New Year, since its in the middle of nowhere she doesn’t have any internet access until she gets back home.

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Posted: 21 December 2012 09:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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Dont forget that DAZ bought these from Thorne which means they could have made additional changes to the characters

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Posted: 21 December 2012 11:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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Well in that case, I think I will file a bug report on it.

Edit: bug Report filed https://bugs.daz3d.com/view.php?id=48671
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Posted: 22 December 2012 12:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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Mattymanx - 21 December 2012 09:49 PM

Dont forget that DAZ bought these from Thorne which means they could have made additional changes to the characters

They didn’t even fix the UV on the basicsuit yet after a huge response from the public:) But maybe they have some christmas spirit. So can we confirm that the teeth is indeed a glitch?

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Posted: 22 December 2012 01:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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...so much for doing a giggly Leela. 

From what I have seen in the past, Thorne pays a great deal of attention to small details and something like this would never have passed by into the final product release. True, Daz had the characters “on ice” for several months after buying them and it is unknown what took place in that time.  Whether any additional “editing” was done is unknown but wouldn’t be beyond possibility since Daz, effectively owned the meshes.  Why they would mess up the teeth though doesn’t make sense.

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Posted: 22 December 2012 02:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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You would expect that kind of a modification of the teeth in a dedicated Kid 5 package. I don’t recall hearing any kind of a hint about that.

Is it possible that someone was intending that these figures be mixed with basic child to get younger kids who might still have baby teeth? But even then the kids wouldn’t have *all* baby teeth. From about 5 or 6 there’d be a mix of baby and adult teeth. By 11 or 12 it’s just molars which still need to get changed over.

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Posted: 22 December 2012 02:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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barbult - 21 December 2012 11:00 PM

Well in that case, I think I will file a bug report on it.

Edit: bug Report filed https://bugs.daz3d.com/view.php?id=48671
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Posted: 22 December 2012 02:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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Spyro - 22 December 2012 02:16 AM
barbult - 21 December 2012 11:00 PM

Well in that case, I think I will file a bug report on it.

Edit: bug Report filed https://bugs.daz3d.com/view.php?id=48671
Feel free to add your comments to it.

Some reason it wont accept my log in :(

Mine neither. How bizarre.

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Posted: 22 December 2012 02:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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JOdel - 22 December 2012 02:11 AM

You would expect that kind of a modification of the teeth in a dedicated Kid 5 package. I don’t recall hearing any kind of a hint about that.

Is it possible that someone was intending that these figures be mixed with basic child to get younger kids who might still have baby teeth? But even then the kids wouldn’t have *all* baby teeth. From about 5 or 6 there’d be a mix of baby and adult teeth. By 11 or 12 it’s just molars which still need to get changed over.

The products is supposed to be dedicated to delivering “Teenagers” not toddlers. It is not an appropriate morph that should be hard wired into the teens FBM. If it was intended to be part of it, it should be a single ‘additional’ morph that should people want toddler teeth they could dial it up separately. But really, for a teenager pack, it never needed to have toddler teeth anyway. It’s not even relevant to it’s product, which seems much more like a glitch/bug.

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