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Posted: 19 December 2012 12:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Posted: 19 December 2012 12:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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chohole - 19 December 2012 09:35 AM

I agree Rareth, no way was Vista ever going on a computer I owned, was why I went from XP to Win 7 to get 64 bit.  Of course if I could have found one of the fairly rare copies of winXP 64 bit, then I would have gone down that route.

And as for Win 8, well least said, soonest mended.

For what it’s worth I was running Win XP 64 and while it was nice and gave me 64 bit capability Win 7 is better so I’d say you made the better choice. Really though the biggest problem with Win XP 64 was lack of support because so few used it or even knew about it for that matter.

I still don’t like Win 7 though. I was so used to the way XP did things.I had no option though, by the time I got the money together to buy this new system the company I use to build all my PCs had moved away from XP..

Yeah it takes getting used to because they moved things around but once you get used to it it’s pretty nice. I was particularly impressed with how easily it set up all the network settings and did so properly, without me having to tell it what to do.

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Posted: 19 December 2012 01:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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@Rareth
Microsoft know exactly why they designed it that way, and so do I, which is why I’m steering well clear of it.

@Horo
Agreed, although they don’t do it for the pretty stuff, they do it to manipulate you.

@David
Agreed, in fact, although I don’t like Windows 7 redraw performance compared to Vista, I’m still kinda glad I bought it now that I’ve seen what they did to Windows 8.  I intend to stick to Windows 7 64-Bit for as long as possible, and if Microsoft haven’t seen sense by the time comes to retire Windows 7, that’s it, bye bye Windows.

I don’t even want to change over if I can help it, I’ve been a Windows user ever since I gave up the Amiga and I could do without the inconvenience of learning something like a new OS, but it’s there just in case I need it and I’m very thankful for that.  When I see Windows 9, that will be a major break point for me, it will either be acceptable or it won’t.  If it turns out ok and they quit the overbearing manipulation crap, I might stick to Windows, but if not, they can stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.

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Posted: 19 December 2012 01:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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pumeco - 19 December 2012 01:10 PM

@Horo
Agreed, although they don’t do it for the pretty stuff, they do it to manipulate you.

Not me. I had worked with computers long before MS came into being.

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Posted: 19 December 2012 01:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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That’s good to hear, but it still won’t stop them forcing you to tie your Windows installation and ID to your credit card in the future.

You could have a million years under your belt, won’t make any difference to what they’ll be forcing you to do in the future just as soon as they have enough laws passed (or removed) to allow them to do so.  The only reason they’re not already doing so is because current laws prevent it.

Those laws are constantly under threat in various guises, as are your rights and freedom because of it.

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Posted: 19 December 2012 06:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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thanks to all for the imput and pumeco im sorry i did not include you in the title are you flying me over for grog? I appreciate all the help

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Posted: 19 December 2012 07:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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pumeco - 19 December 2012 01:10 PM

I don’t even want to change over if I can help it, I’ve been a Windows user ever since I gave up the Amiga and I could do without the inconvenience of learning something like a new OS, but it’s there just in case I need it and I’m very thankful for that.  When I see Windows 9, that will be a major break point for me, it will either be acceptable or it won’t.  If it turns out ok and they quit the overbearing manipulation crap, I might stick to Windows, but if not, they can stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.

I would say to this, why wait? If your feelings are that strong then you should just get it over with and commit to whatever switch now. Be it ubantu, debian,Red Hat or whatever other flavor of Linux. It’s a pretty safe bet that Microsoft is going to stay true to the business model they’ve stay true to since the beginning. Also as long as they continue to feel the need to compete with Apple then they will continue to mimic Apple which is why more then anything Windows 8 is the way it is. Although it’s more then just that and all one needs as proof is to look at things like the Windows phone or their ipad knock off Surface. Of course it goes back all the way to the beginning since Microsoft only ever succeeded because they in essence stole from Apple and got an at least semi functional OS to market first. Had they not done so then Microsoft might never have even been.

Also as far as the thing you really object to, which is using you and your info to further their aims, well I hate to be the bearer of bad news but that’s the direction the whole of the internet is moving in and not just because of Apple and Microsoft. Virtually every serious business entity on the internet wants to data mine everyone on the internet and use that info to make themselves more efficient and more profitable and if they can’t find a way to use your info to their advantage they’ll then want to sell it to someone who can. I don’t know why but it’s just incomprehensible to these entities that all they need do to get what they want is to give us what we want at a good and fair price and in a manner that is enduring and functional rather then waste so much time, energy and money trying to figure out new ways how to convince us that what they got is actually what we want and need.

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Posted: 20 December 2012 06:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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@Trish
Alright then, I’ll forgive you!

Of course if I had the cash I would fly you over immediately for lots of mad, passionate sex!

You can forget the grog though, you remember what happened last time you got drunk?  You ended up at a Chippendale party where Horo and Rashad were performing.  I’ve been mentally scarred for life and it’s a vision that is still vivid in my mind even to this day!


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I have a similar view to Horo in that the computer is a tool, it’s not something I want to be bothered with, it should “just work” and let us get on with our lives, that’s what it should be like for all of us.  Way back, when I had an Amiga running “Workbench”, I never once had to concern myself with any of the crap we’re seemingly endlessly having to deal with today because of these corporate f*cking misfits!

The bottom line is that these corporations cannot get it through their f*cking heads that we are buying a product from them and we have the right to buy that product without any underlying threat to our freedom or privacy.  They just cannot get that through their corrupt skulls!

Bottom line is I will not have my life hampered by these b*stards, and no one else should stand for it either.  My issue isn’t against Microsoft’s product “Windows”, I like Windows, I just don’t like where it’s going and unless it changes radically there’s no way I’m going to be part of it, I’m just not that stupid.  That is why I’m learning to use a Linux based OS even though I’m not really wanting to switch over.  The idea is that when the time comes, if I wanted to, I will have enough confidence to switch over to Linux without having to worry about learning it at the drop of a hat.  When the time comes, I will already know how to use it.

It’s there as a safety net, something to escape to if things don’t change.

Everyone owes it to themselves to do the same, you’d have to be a complete and utter retard to dismiss Linux when it’s free and can be installed on a separate partition and learned at your own pace (just in case).  No one has to move over to it, but they owe it to themselves to at least learn to use it for if Microsoft really overstep the mark.  Hopefully they won’t, but I’m not prepared to chance running around like a headless chicken if they do.

If they do, I will be ready for it, and so will everyone else with even an ounce of common sense.

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Posted: 20 December 2012 10:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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pumeco - 20 December 2012 06:49 AM

@Trish
Alright then, I’ll forgive you!

Of course if I had the cash I would fly you over immediately for lots of mad, passionate sex!

You can forget the grog though, you remember what happened last time you got drunk?  You ended up at a Chippendale party where Horo and Rashad were performing.  I’ve been mentally scarred for life and it’s a vision that is still vivid in my mind even to this day!


@LordHardDriven
I have a similar view to Horo in that the computer is a tool, it’s not something I want to be bothered with, it should “just work” and let us get on with our lives, that’s what it should be like for all of us.  Way back, when I had an Amiga running “Workbench”, I never once had to concern myself with any of the crap we’re seemingly endlessly having to deal with today because of these corporate f*cking misfits!

The bottom line is that these corporations cannot get it through their f*cking heads that we are buying a product from them and we have the right to buy that product without any underlying threat to our freedom or privacy.  They just cannot get that through their corrupt skulls!

Bottom line is I will not have my life hampered by these b*stards, and no one else should stand for it either.  My issue isn’t against Microsoft’s product “Windows”, I like Windows, I just don’t like where it’s going and unless it changes radically there’s no way I’m going to be part of it, I’m just not that stupid.  That is why I’m learning to use a Linux based OS even though I’m not really wanting to switch over.  The idea is that when the time comes, if I wanted to, I will have enough confidence to switch over to Linux without having to worry about learning it at the drop of a hat.  When the time comes, I will already know how to use it.

It’s there as a safety net, something to escape to if things don’t change.

Everyone owes it to themselves to do the same, you’d have to be a complete and utter retard to dismiss Linux when it’s free and can be installed on a separate partition and learned at your own pace (just in case).  No one has to move over to it, but they owe it to themselves to at least learn to use it for if Microsoft really overstep the mark.  Hopefully they won’t, but I’m not prepared to chance running around like a headless chicken if they do.

If they do, I will be ready for it, and so will everyone else with even an ounce of common sense.

Okay, that’s all fine and dandy but what I’m saying to you is it isn’t going to change, that’s the direction the internet is head in and it’s not just software corporations wanting and trying to make it happen. So to say you’ll wait until windows 9 and hope it gets better is kind of like saying after accidentally cutting your arm off, “I’ll hold off on going to the doctor and just wait and see if my arm reattaches itself”.

Personally I think in some ways you’re letting yourself imagine a bit too much though like when you suggest one day Microsoft might force you to tie your OS to a credit card. What about the millions of people who don’t have credit cards? Do you really think Microsoft or any other major (greedy) business entity is going to pass on so much potential business? BTW microsoft has been working in this direction for some time. A key element to this is what is called Microsoft Wallet which first appeared back in Windows 98 and IE 4 as a place for you to conveniently store all your credit card info to make online shopping easier by making it so you didn’t have to memorize or go get your credit card when you wanted to shop online. It never really caught on though because it was around that time people started becoming aware of threats like Identity theft and so the notion of storing info on your computer which could be potentially hacked into was not only unpopular but was encourage against. So by IE 5.01 it was pulled as a default thing but could be added to any installation of Windows via update by anyone wanting to use it. It was then changed to Microsoft Passport, .NET Passport, Microsoft Passport Network, and most recently Windows Live ID but going forward is going to be called Microsoft Account.

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Posted: 20 December 2012 06:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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LordHardDriven, seriously, I don’t want to come across rude or anything but I don’t think you have a clue what these corporations are up to.  You really need to read-up on it and to understand why they’re doing things the way they are doing it, and why your freedom and privacy is constantly under threat because of it.

The good news is we have a choice, the bad news is that most people aren’t educated enough to make the right one.

You’re right, the chances of Microsoft changing their goals are practically non-existent, and guess what, that’s why I’m learning to use Linux ;-)

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Posted: 21 December 2012 08:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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pumeco - 20 December 2012 06:32 PM

LordHardDriven, seriously, I don’t want to come across rude or anything but I don’t think you have a clue what these corporations are up to.  You really need to read-up on it and to understand why they’re doing things the way they are doing it, and why your freedom and privacy is constantly under threat because of it.

The good news is we have a choice, the bad news is that most people aren’t educated enough to make the right one.

You’re right, the chances of Microsoft changing their goals are practically non-existent, and guess what, that’s why I’m learning to use Linux wink

Well I also don’t want to come across as rude but I seriously am starting to doubt your ability to read and comprehend. I do understand what these corporations are up to and I’m telling you it’s more then just Apple or Microsoft and if a particular version of Linux ever becomes popular enough to become mainstream it’ll include them too. The problem isn’t the evil empire of Apple or Microsoft the problem is much bigger and broader then just one or two companies. Switching to some open source OS might insulate you from the inevitable for now but only until the powers that be figure a way around that or the world as we know it ends, whichever comes first.

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Posted: 22 December 2012 03:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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I’m well aware of how broad it is, and I’m well aware of the lengths these corporations will go to get their own way.

I’m not religious, but for the sake of brevity let’s just pray for those poor uneducated b*stards that frequent the web and say stuff like “I don’t care”.  It’s just one of those things that is so blazingly dumb I cannot help debate it whenever it pops up, I cannot believe how dumb some people are!

We’ll see if they’re still saying “I don’t care” further down the line when their entire life-log is for sale from some hacker :-D

As for Linux, nope, I’m afraid not.  If a Linux distribution got to the invasive state the commercial OS’s are in, it wouldn’t last very long because there is always an alternative Linux distribution out there.  Linux users are similar to Android users (Android itself is built on Linux), they’re the users that take no shit from the likes of Apple and Microsoft, and believe me, with those very users in control (as it should be, USERS in control), there’s absolutely nothing to worry about there.

Like I said, they either change or I’m moving over to Linux, simple as that really.

I’d like to leave it at that, because constantly having to dabate this crap is getting old and pisses me off.  It eats into my own time and I’m not happy about my own time being eaten into because of corrupt corporations.

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Posted: 22 December 2012 10:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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pumeco - 22 December 2012 03:54 AM

I’m well aware of how broad it is, and I’m well aware of the lengths these corporations will go to get their own way.

I’m not religious, but for the sake of brevity let’s just pray for those poor uneducated b*stards that frequent the web and say stuff like “I don’t care”.  It’s just one of those things that is so blazingly dumb I cannot help debate it whenever it pops up, I cannot believe how dumb some people are!

We’ll see if they’re still saying “I don’t care” further down the line when their entire life-log is for sale from some hacker :-D

As for Linux, nope, I’m afraid not.  If a Linux distribution got to the invasive state the commercial OS’s are in, it wouldn’t last very long because there is always an alternative Linux distribution out there.  Linux users are similar to Android users (Android itself is built on Linux), they’re the users that take no shit from the likes of Apple and Microsoft, and believe me, with those very users in control (as it should be, USERS in control), there’s absolutely nothing to worry about there.

Like I said, they either change or I’m moving over to Linux, simple as that really.

I’d like to leave it at that, because constantly having to dabate this crap is getting old and pisses me off.  It eats into my own time and I’m not happy about my own time being eaten into because of corrupt corporations.

Well we shouldn’t be debating in the first place, we’ve both been in argeement the whole time which is why I was doubting your reading comprehension. The only difference is that I’m telling you there is no point waiting and seeing if Windows will change, it will not. The users might be able to force Microsoft’s hand on keeping support for an OS they want to drop support for but they’re not going get them to overhaul their business model or get them to drop something they’ve been working on since Win98.

As for the virtue of Linux all that you say is true now but the user base for Linux is incredibly small compared to MS and Apple and even then it’s broken into smaller groups by the various flavors of Linux out there. The point I was making if it ever got to where it had mass appeal and started generating big bucks for some company that company would then start taking Linux in a similar direction. This whole issue of trying to get peoples info for marketing purposes is a capitalistic greed driven thing. It’s a manifestation of the need to make ever increasing profits rather then being willing to settle for a steady level of profits.

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Posted: 22 December 2012 01:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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LordHardDriven - 22 December 2012 10:04 AM

Well we shouldn’t be debating in the first place, we’ve both been in agreement the whole time which is why I was doubting your reading comprehension.

I can see we’re in agreement for the most part and I comprehend perfectly what you’re saying, that’s why I gave the answer I gave.

You seem to be under the impression that someone or something could take control over Linux.  That cannot happen and never will happen because of the way it’s produced.  That’s a huge plus for Linux and it’s something Apple and Microsoft cannot bear the thought of because “Free” and “Open” software has, and always will be, the biggest threat to them and their greed.

 

LordHardDriven - 22 December 2012 10:04 AM

The point I was making if it ever got to where it had mass appeal and started generating big bucks for some company that company would then start taking Linux in a similar direction.

This is exactly what I mean; you’re way off the mark on that one.

There is no way on earth a corporation like Apple or Microsoft can ever take control of a Linux based OS other than their own distribution.  It doesn’t belong to anyone in the first place.  They wouldn’t even have any real control over their own distribution nevermind anyone else’s.  It’s impossible because Linux distributions are produced as a joint effort by experts from countries all over the world.  No person, corporation, or government can take that away even if they tried.

There will always be plenty of Linux distributions for those of us that value our rights and our privacy, and those are the distributions that are going to become most popular in the future.

Sure, even Apple and Microsoft are perfectly free to produce a Linux distribution themselves, and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if they’re not already developing such things to market under a different brand name.  But that would be their distribution, and people would be free to avoid it like the plague just as they are free to avoid Apple and Microsoft products right now.

Like I said, we have a choice, but some aren’t educated enough to make the right one.

 

LordHardDriven - 22 December 2012 10:04 AM

This whole issue of trying to get peoples info for marketing purposes is a capitalistic greed driven thing. It’s a manifestation of the need to make ever increasing profits rather then being willing to settle for a steady level of profits.

Absolutely, I agree 100%, and that is why you have to turn around and smack ‘em where it hurts hardest; right in the profit margin.

I’m not interested in helping Microsoft run their “Capitalist Greed Thing” or Apple to run their “Monopolistic iThing”.  Despite the glamour of the Apple hardware, I’ve always managed to hold back on supporting their bullshit and have never purchased anything they produce.  I’m equally determined to disown Microsoft products in a heartbeat if I need to, no problem whatsoever.

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Posted: 22 December 2012 03:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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The Mac runs on a Linux kernel. It is hidden and deliberately made inaccessible, there’s a Linux below nevertheless.

And the Redhat Cygwin distribution runs atop of Windows. It interfaces nicely with Windows, making it VPN-compatible at no cost.

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