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Does Carrara Pro do it all?
Posted: 18 December 2012 04:43 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Hello everyone.  Is it true that the new Carrara Pro can do it all and make use of all the DAZ models?  It can create landscapes like Bryce 7 Pro, pose characters and build scenes like DAZ Studio 4.5 Pro, and create 3D models like Hexagon 2.  Is that all true?  If so then why would anyone need anything else from DAZ other than 3D content (unless you make your own entirely)?  So, is it true? smile

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Posted: 18 December 2012 05:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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It is true with some significant caveats.


Right now Genesis is only supported in the 8.5 beta. The earlier DAZ figures are supported in the non-beta Carrara 8.1 and earlier (down to C6 I believe).

Carrara doesn’t have dynamic cloth like D/S, but then again, D/S doesn’t have dynamic hair.


Regarding Bryce and Hexagon, they’re specialty software. Bryce does beautiful environmental pictures. Carrara can do beautiful landscapes and environments as well, but may lack some Bryce specific tools, that would drive you nuts if you were coming from Bryce to Carrara. It’s kind of the same situation with Hexagon and Carrara’s built in vertex modeler. Some tools are different or combined, or in different areas, some may not exist. I haven’t used either extensively, so I can’t say how annoying it is.


Advantages to Carrara, are that it is a full featured suite. It not only does it have the terrain, sky and vertex tools and modeler, it also has a spline modeler and metaball modeler.


Some things Carrara has that D/S doesn’t (or didn’t) without additional (possible) plugins would be volumetric clouds (and with C8 volumetric skies, i.e. god rays) fire and fog primitives, robust key frame controls, advanced shader system, two different replicators, plant generator, particle emitter, etc. etc.


All of the software has strong points. D/S for the beginner or transitioning from Poser, Bryce for landscapes and Hex for modeling. My personal opinion is that Carrara handles all of what the others do, and I’ve never regretted buying Carrara.


There is a learning curve as with all complex pieces of software, but I find the user experience pleasant and the people here helpful. DAZ’s biggest achilles’ heel with Carrara and possibly it’s other software, is documentation. What comes with the latest iterations for Carrara is the version 7 manual in PDF available through the help menu. Most of the sections are still relevant, but it lacks documentation on items added for version 8, such as bullet physics, sunlight beams (AKA God Rays), added shader room functions and Genesis.

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Posted: 18 December 2012 05:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I see, thanks for the thorough answer!  I kind of wish I bought Carrara first before I bought Bryce 7 Pro.  Then I wish I didn’t even do that because soon after they gave it away for free.  Which makes me feel they should have told me or refunded my money, because it happened within a month.  Anyways, I now have since downloaded both Hexagon and DAZ Studio 4.5 Pro.  But, now that I have those, do you think I should purchase Carrara?  Would it be worth it? Thanks again, and Happy Christmas. smile

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Posted: 18 December 2012 06:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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My short answer would be that if you can afford to do it without hardship, then go for it. If money is tight, then wait for a sale. Carrara 8.5 is beta. As the release date gets closer (whenever that would be) you may see substantial discounts. I do know one thing, if you decide to get Carrara, you’ll probably want the Pro version. That’s just my own bias though.


I guess for me, a big factor would be how often I hit the limits of my software. If you find yourself saying if only I could….. Then maybe you need to consider adding to your tool set. Which reminds me to say that many people here use multiple software for multiple purposes. It’s not uncommon for someone to use Poser to generate a walk cycle to use in Carrara, or convert a dynamic piece of clothing’s movement in D/S to animated morphs for use in Carrara.

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Posted: 18 December 2012 06:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I purchased Carrara and the Infinite Skills learning videos.  The program is awesome in what it can do and the videos fantastic as well.  I wish this was done for more programs and even some of the more complex products for Daz Studio…makes the learning curve alot easier.  I go over the steps in the videos over and over until I can use the tools no problem, it really helps to see what they can do instead of guessing, also I think you sometimes miss the potential of the tools.  Its a great foundation for learning and I would never have figured out alot of the abilities of the program on my own.  the people here in the forums are also awesome at answering any of my questions

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Posted: 18 December 2012 09:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Why not download this manual for Carrara 7

http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/artzone/pub/software/carrara/start

Its not right upto date but will give you great insight to what the program can do.

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Posted: 19 December 2012 06:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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There’s also a 30 day Demo / Trial version of Carrara 8 Pro,. available at
www.downloads.com

try before you buy smile

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Posted: 19 December 2012 10:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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0oseven - 18 December 2012 09:12 PM

Why not download this manual for Carrara 7

http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/artzone/pub/software/carrara/start

Its not right upto date but will give you great insight to what the program can do.

why don’t they update the manual along with the program?  even just an addon with new functions and features ....Just curious

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Posted: 19 December 2012 10:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Short version, they hired some people to do that and it didn’t work out. Since then, they had a bunch of staffers working on updating docs for Studio and Carrara was supposed to be next. But those same staffers have been working on everything else, like the update of the store, the download files, Genesis, etc. There is a thread somewhere where they were explaining it all but I think it was on the old forum.

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Posted: 19 December 2012 11:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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I think evilproducer summarized it well.

Carrara can do ‘everything’ - landscape modeling & rendering, figure posing, object modeling, animation, and more - but it’s like that old line about “Jack of all trades, master of none”. For specific tasks, such as landscape modeling, don’t expect it to have the power or flexibility of a specialized application like Bryce.

I’m actually a big fan of Carrara. I find it powerful, flexible, and easy to work with. I’ve used it to make scenes of mountains and forests, scenes with large numbers of figures, cityscapes, gloomy interiors, character studies, more gloomy interiors and scenes with both posed figures and landscapes. (Apologies for the self-promotion, but I wanted to show the range of scenes you can make with Carrara). It’s definitely versatile.

However, you can expect to hit some limitations. Carrara’s landscaping and atmospherics aren’t quite there yet (the Realistic Sky editor could use a lot more love, for instance). Posing isn’t quite as flexible as in D|S. Hexagon’s modeling tools may be easier to use, etc. Carrara is also in an odd limbo state just now: the official 8.1 release is often unstable (at least on recent Macs), while 8.5 seems to have been in beta forever, with no end in sight.

If I had to pick just one application to use, I’d pick Carrara without hesitation, because it’s a Swiss Army knife of a program. However, a specialist will almost always beat a good generalist, and that’s the case here too.

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Posted: 19 December 2012 11:13 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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HI Kharma smile

why don’t they update the manual along with the program?  even just an addon with new functions and features ....Just curious

Because as the new features develop,. they change,. so they would be constantly updating the doc’s to reflect those changes.

the Carrara 7 manual covers more than 90 % of how to use Carrara. and is still applicable to C8. or 8.5

Here’s a basic guide to using Bullet,.. which has been changed and updated several times.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7907045/First_step_Physics_C8.pdf

Hope it helps smile

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Posted: 19 December 2012 11:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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angusm - 19 December 2012 11:10 AM

“Jack of all trades, master of none”.

Actually, being a Jack of all Trades is a skill unto itself that is very under-rated, imho… When you need a job done quick and on the spot, there is nothing that beats that Jack…. Look what Dr Who can do with that one Sonic Spanner™. wink

When projects become very large and detailed (Master level), they tend to split into sub-projects and spill into outside programs anyway….

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Posted: 19 December 2012 11:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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One needs look no further than a Howie Farkes scene to see hpw well Carrara can do environments.

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Posted: 19 December 2012 11:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Kevin Sanderson - 19 December 2012 10:48 AM

... But those same staffers have been working on everything else, like the update of the store, the download files, Genesis, etc.

And therein lies the problem.  When DAZ struck out on the DS path, I could see it coming.  Carrara, the best horse in their stable after adding Poser content support, would get neglected.  And it is, IMHO.  But happily it still works and I use it almost every day, much more than Vue Complete, and WAY more often than Poser or DS.

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Posted: 19 December 2012 03:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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evilproducer - 19 December 2012 11:44 AM

One needs look no further than a Howie Farkes scene to see hpw well Carrara can do environments.

Uh, yeah, but that’s like saying “Carrara can render great environments if it has great environments to render”. Little to do with Carrara, a lot to do with Howie Farkes.

What it does to well is handle scenes with HUGE poly counts very well. And also includes some decent, prepackaged environment elements. But it’s vastly different from, say, Vue. Which makes sense, because it’s not designed to be what Vue is.

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Posted: 19 December 2012 03:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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evilproducer - 19 December 2012 11:44 AM

One needs look no further than a Howie Farkes scene to see hpw well Carrara can do environments.

Uh, yeah, but that’s like saying “Carrara can render great environments if it has great environments to render”. Little to do with Carrara, a lot to do with Howie Farkes.

What it does to well is handle scenes with HUGE poly counts very well. And also includes some decent, prepackaged environment elements. But it’s vastly different from, say, Vue. Which makes sense, because it’s not designed to be what Vue is.


I was going to put in a little bit calling back to the master of all, master of none comment, but I was getting too wordy. The point is, the tools are there to do a great job. Howie proves it with his scenes. It’s up to the individual how far he or she advances.

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