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Genesis Textures for V5 & M5 without support of old Gen4 UV, where can i find this?
Posted: 16 December 2012 03:10 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Genesis Textures for V5 & M5 without support of old Gen4 UV, where can i find this?

i don’t use Gen4 anymore and do not need Gen4 support.
software need evolution and not sit still in developing.

 

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Posted: 16 December 2012 03:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I’m confused as to what you want. Genesis has changeable UVs allowing you to use Gen4 textures or Gen5 so there shouldn’t be any problem using either of them. Having support for older figures doesn’t mean it doesn’t use the new Gen5 UV maps, and shouldn’t affect how you use the figure.

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Posted: 16 December 2012 06:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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As far as I know textures in products specifically for V5 and M5 don’t come with Gen 4 UV maps. At least the ones I tried don’t (Philip, Dave, Bree), unless I’m missing something. Characters for “Genesis” seem to use Gen 4 maps though, and of course, there are characters for, say, “M4 and Genesis” which will definitely have a Gen 4 UV set.

When so many people are using Gen 4 characters, and will continue to do so for a long time, many vendors will want to have as big a market as possible by using Gen 4 UVs on characters compatible with Genesis rather than limiting them to V5/M5. On the other hand, DAZ and PAs who work with them will want to take advantage of the improvements of having their textures mapped especially for Gen 5 in order to deliver a higher quality product.

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Posted: 16 December 2012 06:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Hiro Protagonist - 16 December 2012 06:10 AM

On the other hand, DAZ and PAs who work with them will want to take advantage of the improvements of having their textures mapped especially for Gen 5 in order to deliver a higher quality product.

i only need gen5 and expect more quality.
why still waste time on gen4? is this only be done to hold poser users happy?

 

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Posted: 16 December 2012 06:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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creativemodelsbe - 16 December 2012 06:15 AM

i only need gen5 and expect more quality.
why still waste time on gen4? is this only be done to hold poser users happy?

It isn’t just Poser users by any means. Quite a lot of DAZ Studio users are sticking with Gen 4, so there is, in total, a large market for compatibility. Those users, and the PAs who can sell to them, would not consider it a waste of time. This situation might be considered to disadvantage Genesis/Gen 5 users who are not getting optimal mapping on all products offered to them, but to that I would say many Genesis users are not particularly dissatisfied with being offered Genesis products using Gen 4 UVs, considering that they work very well, and it increases choice. I’d say that if Gen 4 textures were not useable on Genesis there would be considerably fewer products available—it’s even likely that Genesis would not have taken off at all. Personally I’m happy to use Gen 4 mapped textures (I only use Genesis/Gen 5) and regularly use some of the high quality textures that were made before Genesis came along. The benefits of using high quality textures outweigh any disadvantages (which to be frank I am not really seeing) of their not being optimally mapped.

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Posted: 16 December 2012 07:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Hiro Protagonist - 16 December 2012 06:50 AM

but to that I would say many Genesis users are not particularly dissatisfied with being offered Genesis products using Gen 4 UVs, considering that they work very well, and it increases choice. I’d say that if Gen 4 textures were not useable on Genesis there would be considerably fewer products available

there are enough Gen4 textures that did not work well on Gen5.
stretched out textures and more. long face
that’s why i prefer to see more Gen5.
i think a stop of gen4 support is needed soon or later.
else we never make a change to Gen5.

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Posted: 16 December 2012 07:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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And just what would be your answer for people who do not like Genesis at all? Many people, including me still use the other figures for most of our renders. Just because you are head over heels in love with the figure does not mean everybody is.

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Posted: 16 December 2012 09:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Posted: 16 December 2012 11:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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The thing is that the M5 maps really aren’t much different than the M4 maps, so you aren’t going to get a big increase in quality and you do cut out a larger part of the market. Same for the V5 to V4, they really are a matter of a few little bit of shift here or there. If there was a huge shift in maps, I would agree with you, but there isn’t.

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Posted: 19 December 2012 10:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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GhostofMacbeth - 16 December 2012 11:04 AM

The thing is that the M5 maps really aren’t much different than the M4 maps, so you aren’t going to get a big increase in quality and you do cut out a larger part of the market. Same for the V5 to V4, they really are a matter of a few little bit of shift here or there. If there was a huge shift in maps, I would agree with you, but there isn’t.

That’s also why we don’t have a Gen3 Genesis UV Map yet, or (perish the thought!) Gen2 maps.

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Posted: 20 December 2012 06:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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I’m curious about this, is there really any kind of quality difference in using the gen5 UV maps? I would have thought that if the texture was specifically designed for the shape then it wouldn’t make much (any?) difference which UV map was used since the texture would have been created with that shape and map in mind.

Now I could see if you were using a mix of morphs then the gen4 maps might not work as well as gen5, especially if you were using morphs based on the gen5 shape but if you were doing extreme morphs and didn’t have a custom texture for that shape I’d expect to see distortion in that regardless of which UV map you used.

Or am I totally missing something here?

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Posted: 20 December 2012 06:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Adacey, no, good quality maps are good quality maps.

HOWEVER, the problem with Gen4 Maps on Genesis has to do with a couple of anomalies in the UVS on Genesis that do not exactly match the Gen4 UVS.

That is why I posted these:
http://www.sharecg.com/v/66020/gallery/21/DAZ-Studio/Genesis-Base-Res-V4UVS-TEMPLATES

And let me note, I don’t agree with the OP… I’d rather we just acknowledge that Gen4 UVS is here to stay and get on with it…

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Posted: 20 December 2012 07:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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wancow - 20 December 2012 06:47 PM

good quality maps are good quality maps

You just wont find any in this community, just out of scale low res garbage (that includes the so called Elite sets), with secondary maps that are a complete waste of 1’s & 0’s.

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Posted: 20 December 2012 08:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Bejaymac - 20 December 2012 07:09 PM

You just wont find any in this community, just out of scale low res garbage (that includes the so called Elite sets), with secondary maps that are a complete waste of 1’s & 0’s.

So in your opinion, is there any skin set with Genesis-compatible UVs that is of high quality for sale anywhere?  And if not, what would you consider examples of high-quality for other platforms (that is actually available for sale, not custom stuff done for movies/etc)?

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Posted: 20 December 2012 09:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Bejaymac - 20 December 2012 07:09 PM

You just wont find any in this community, just out of scale low res garbage (that includes the so called Elite sets), with secondary maps that are a complete waste of 1’s & 0’s.

So in your opinion, is there any skin set with Genesis-compatible UVs that is of high quality for sale anywhere?  And if not, what would you consider examples of high-quality for other platforms (that is actually available for sale, not custom stuff done for movies/etc)?

I would like to know where I can find the High Quality V4, M4, V5, M5 and other figures sold here textures. UV mapped for these meshes that Look BETTER in this software for the Price I get textures here. These low scale low res garbage files I and others use in the two main stream 3D render programs for the meshes they support are obviously lacking.

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Posted: 21 December 2012 09:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Bejaymac - 20 December 2012 07:09 PM

You just wont find any in this community, just out of scale low res garbage (that includes the so called Elite sets), with secondary maps that are a complete waste of 1’s & 0’s.

So in your opinion, is there any skin set with Genesis-compatible UVs that is of high quality for sale anywhere?  And if not, what would you consider examples of high-quality for other platforms (that is actually available for sale, not custom stuff done for movies/etc)?

The Tori maps are very high quality. (V5UVS)
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/tori-for-v5

There is, of course, the Bree maps that come with V5.

And Gabi
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/gabi-for-v5/

All of these are V5 and they’re all high quality.  I don’t understand what people are whining about…

If you want to see amazing quality V4 maps, Dublin is the very best set I’ve ever seen:
http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/the-metropolitan-collection—-dublin-v4-2/90599

Dublin easily exceeds anything produced by anyone over at CGTalk.  And that’s where the pros hang out. http://www.cgtalk.com

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