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hello Daz.

I just downloaded Daz4.5, again.. lol..  I’ve been away for a while [deployed].  Actually I’m very new to the new set up.  I remember Victoria 4… So now what do I need to make the best of Genesis?

so far I have the Genesis starter, Genesis BodyMorphKit1, Genesis Muscle 1.0, and Genesis HeadMorphs1&2.

I’m particularly interested in advanced shaping..  making a smaller waiste, longer legs.. etc..
So far my Genesis set up is still pretty basic..  What else do I need?

thanks

Depends on if you want to make both women and men or more one than the other. I think for the body kits there is one for women (genesis basic female) and one for men. Both are useful. I would consider V5 if you want to make women as it has female specific morphs. Or M5 for men.

I’m not going to get into transferring your Gen4 stuff to genesis, but that is an option. Stuff being shaping morphs for characters. But that is also an option. If you go that route you may have a very complete genesis assortment fairly quickly but most use GenX as well as the Iconic shape packs to do it and that cost money.

I would get the evolution morphs for genesis if you don’t already have them. But you might, can’t remember if those came in the starter or not.

EDIT: Also I would get Die Tryines 180 V4 morphs for genesis.

http://www.sharecg.com/v/58198/

Get Gen4 shapes for Genesis, that’s also a pretty good bundled deal.

V5 and M5 Pro bundles if you need toaster and toast, so to speak. Starter bundles do not give genitals, FYI. They also have some nice stuff that can get you started.

Thanks for your military service abroad, and welcome home!

Here’s a link to my reply in a somewhat similar thread, which might be helpful.

You also may like the Genesis Body Morph Resource Kit. This links to the one for female genesis, but the same PAs have 3 head morph resource kits and 2nd body morph resource kit for male genesis.

I totally agree about the DieTrying’s 180 morphs that are free at sharecg. Those are very useful, as well as the Genesis Evolution bundle.

Edited to include a forgotten link.   Actually, totally didn’t see that you already had the body morph resource kit…

The one you really need that you didn’t mention is the Genesis Evolution morphs.

If you want to go with Genesis then the Genesis Evolution: Morph Bundle is essential. If you are interested in musculature then Muscularity I think is well worth having, and you get Flexions with that which can give some nice flexing effects with bends. For just over $60 right now you can have all of the above plus Victoria 5 and Michael 5 in this combo bundle. I think the shape bundle for M4 and V4 will come in handy, especially at the current price.

Outside of DAZ originals, I really like the Head Morph Resource Kits by Thorne and Handspan Studios, although I only have the first kit so far, I find it really gives me that extra control needed to make very individual looking faces.

The Evolutions morphs are essential as others have said, but if you bought the Genesis Starter Bundle, you should have them already. They should allow you to change waist size, leg length, etc. There’s another very nice general morph set available for free: http://www.sharecg.com/v/58198/

For realistic men and women: I’d start with Michael 5 (get the Pro Bundle if you can—Michael’s clothing and hair tends to look good on the girls, too) and either Victoria 5 or Stephanie 5 for women…V5 is bustier (especially with the included Supermodel shape and breast morphs) and S5 is more petite. S5 doesn’t come with the extra breast shaping morphs, but she has three face shapes and three body shapes to Vicky’s one face and two bodies. Take a look at the Ethnicity bundle also (or SickleYield’s Diversity and similar sets, sold at Renderosity).

If you want to do nude renders, note that Genesis genitals are only available in certain bundles:
Michael 5 Pro Bundle (male)
Michael 5 Pro Suite (male)
Victoria 5 Pro Bundle (female)
Victoria 5 Pro Suite (female)
Stephanie 5 Pro Bundle (female)
Genesis Michael Victoria Combo Bundle (both male and female)

For anime: Hitomi and Hiro 5, and their accessories.

For creatures: Genesis Creature Creator Bundle, Epic Wings, Gorilla, Troll (you should have the Troll already as it came in the Starter Bundle), Tamesis Bundle, and look at various creatures by RawArt and Valandar, among others.

In general: The Gen 3 Iconic Shapes Bundle is great, especially if you have a lot of clothing for third-generation figures like Michael 3, Aiko 3, etc. David 3 for Genesis is sold separately, but unlike the others he comes with extra head shapes which is nice. The V4 and M4 Shapes for Genesis are required for a number of characters in the store, but they are less essential now since the release of V5 and M5. Still, the more shapes and morphs you have, the better! And skin textures, too, for that matter…if you have some built for Victoria 4 or Michael 4, they will work fine on Genesis too.

One more important note: if you are buying a bunch of stuff, join the Platinum Club ($30 for one month) and get 30% off all DAZ Originals. Should end up being cheaper that way…most of the items I mentioned are DAZ Originals.

larsmidnatt - 03 December 2012 12:52 PM

Depends on if you want to make both women and men or more one than the other. I think for the body kits there is one for women (genesis basic female) and one for men. Both are useful. I would consider V5 if you want to make women as it has female specific morphs. Or M5 for men.

I do have some interest in creating male characters in the future, but for now I’m focusing on setting up my female.  so, added to what I listed above, I now have the V5 and Genesis Evolution.  What would you say was a really good skin texture?  I remember I had a Stephanie skin texture that I though was amazing.  I lost my old runtime folder so I’m pretty much starting from scratch. 

As far as skins go it will depend on what you like, but usually the textures labeled elite are really good. I’ve got elite Amy, Reby Sky, Marie, Lana and a few others and they get a lot of use. There are a variety of elite textures so if you are looking for pale, tan or freckled you should be able to find something.

Since V5 can use V4 textures you don’t need a Genesis texture. Most of my fave textures are from V4. I’ve only got two or three genesis textures i reuse.

I llluuuuv Thorne’s morph kits:
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/catalogsearch/result/index/?compat_figures=Genesis&q=thorne

larsmidnatt - 03 December 2012 12:52 PM

Depends on if you want to make both women and men or more one than the other. I think for the body kits there is one for women (genesis basic female) and one for men. Both are useful. I would consider V5 if you want to make women as it has female specific morphs. Or M5 for men.

I’m not going to get into transferring your Gen4 stuff to genesis, but that is an option. Stuff being shaping morphs for characters. But that is also an option. If you go that route you may have a very complete genesis assortment fairly quickly but most use GenX as well as the Iconic shape packs to do it and that cost money.

I would get the evolution morphs for genesis if you don’t already have them. But you might, can’t remember if those came in the starter or not.

EDIT: Also I would get Die Tryines 180 V4 morphs for genesis.

http://www.sharecg.com/v/58198/

Hello larsmidnatt

I just got DAZ Studio 4.5 for free and after spending time on the basics and need to go further now.
1) I do not know which bundle to buy to start with : “Genesis Body Morph Resource Kit 1” OR “Genesis Starter Bundle” ? Do they both work without anything more than the Essentials.
2) Can I use with DAZ Studio the Victoria 4.0 Pro bundle that I bought in 2007 for Poser ?

To be precise enough, I’d like to conform a real life nude woman (with tits, nipples and genitalia). I guess this is not only a question of morph but also a question of texture. So which bundle offers both the morphing possibility (small tits, heavy tits, large nipples, small nipples ...) and the textures (dark nipples, pink nipples, blond pubic hair,etc ...) all looking real. And not to difficult to install on a Mac, knowing that I only have the Genesis Starter Essentials ...

I had previously Poser 6 from DAZ, that I eventually dropped : too difficult to handle (I am not a pro) and I use the renders only to produce charts for teaching reasons.

Thank you

You can use V4 if you want. No reason you can’t. In that case you won’t need to use anything related to Genesis. You can just pick a few V4 materials and dial in some shapes.  I actually encourage you to use V4 instead for your purposes because that pro pack came with a collection of shapes and materials you can use.

V4 still works fine in DS 4.5.

To reiterate, reinstall the V4 pro bundle, redownload it if you need to. That has most everything you need and you will save money by staying with V4. Normally I suggest Genesis, but based on what you have said I actually don’t think Genesis is needed.

EDIT: If you wanted to get your Genesis content up to where your V4 pro bundle is at you would need this
http://www.daz3d.com/shop/victoria-5-pro-suite

But if you are just using it for making charts I don’t see the reason to do that, unless you just want to work with the newer figure.

jmcalvat - 11 December 2012 03:22 AM

I just got DAZ Studio 4.5 for free and after spending time on the basics and need to go further now.
1) I do not know which bundle to buy to start with : “Genesis Body Morph Resource Kit 1” OR “Genesis Starter Bundle” ? Do they both work without anything more than the Essentials.
2) Can I use with DAZ Studio the Victoria 4.0 Pro bundle that I bought in 2007 for Poser ?

To be precise enough, I’d like to conform a real life nude woman (with tits, nipples and genitalia). I guess this is not only a question of morph but also a question of texture. So which bundle offers both the morphing possibility (small tits, heavy tits, large nipples, small nipples ...) and the textures (dark nipples, pink nipples, blond pubic hair,etc ...) all looking real. And not to difficult to install on a Mac, knowing that I only have the Genesis Starter Essentials ...

I had previously Poser 6 from DAZ, that I eventually dropped : too difficult to handle (I am not a pro) and I use the renders only to produce charts for teaching reasons.

Thank you

If you want genitalia for Genesis, you have two options.
One is DAZ’s geografted female genitalia, which are found ONLY in the V5 Pro Bundle, the V5 Pro Suite and the Michael Victoria Combo Bundle.  The Genesis Starter Bundle is NOT sufficient for this.
The other option is a morph for the Genesis base.  One such morph is found in Genesis Body Morph Resource Kit 1.

The Body Morph Resource Kit and the Combo Bundle each offer a decent variety of other shaping morphs; the V5 Pro Bundle does not.  The V5 Pro Suite contains both the Pro Bundle and the Starter Bundle, so it does have the morphs.

The Body Morph Resource Kit is morphs only; no textures are included. The Combo Bundle has one female texture.  The Pro Bundle has at least three; I’m not sure if any of them match what you want.  The Pro Suite does not have any textures beyond those in the Pro Bundle.

Don’t forget to put today’s Snowball item into the cart when you buy any of these, as it will reduce the overall price incredibly!

Scott-Livingston - 03 December 2012 02:00 PM

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If you want to do nude renders, note that Genesis genitals are only available in certain bundles:
Michael 5 Pro Bundle (male)
Michael 5 Pro Suite (male)
Victoria 5 Pro Bundle (female)
Victoria 5 Pro Suite (female)
Stephanie 5 Pro Bundle (female)
Genesis Michael Victoria Combo Bundle (both male and female)

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Are you saying that if I already have Michael5 I can’t get his genitals unless I also fork over a fortune and get the Michael 5 Pro Bundle too? 8-o   (*why oh why do we put up with this ... ?)

Yep, far as I know that’s the case. Of course you can buy a 3rd party set over at Rotica, or let him borrow M4’s. But those won’t take M5 textures, so that could be problematic.