Unicorn for DAZ Horse 2

LightofHeavenLightofHeaven Posts: 625
edited December 1969 in The Commons

Sound like an awesome idea? It does to me.

Too bad I don't know how to model ac good pair of wings like the PAs do, or I'd totally do it1

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  • KhoryKhory Posts: 2,539
    edited December 1969

    I believe someone mentioned that the epic wings work on the new horse. Have not tried it myself yet.

  • LightofHeavenLightofHeaven Posts: 625
    edited December 1969

    I don't have Epic Wings yet. I actrually just bought the horse starter bundle. Crap, I pent too much here thius past month.

  • KhoryKhory Posts: 2,539
    edited December 1969

    I'd try what ever wings you do have already. You will have to parent them I think and may need to shift them around but its worth a try.

  • JaderailJaderail Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    Unicorns have horns my friend, Pegasus have wings...

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  • SzarkSzark Posts: 8,765
    edited December 1969

    but can you have a horny Pegasus?

  • LightofHeavenLightofHeaven Posts: 625
    edited December 1969

    Szark said:
    but can you have a horny Pegasus?

    That's what viagra is for!

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 2,081
    edited December 1969

    CWRW mentioned working on a unicorn add-on for the DAZ Horse 2. also wings. Someone did a render in the PC renders contest of the DAZ Horse 2 with the Grane (sp?) wings for the MilHorse.

    Regarding unicorns, the thing that makes me cross is that traditionally, and heraldically they *are not horses*. They only have horse-like *heads*. They are technically chimeras and it is believed that the people who claim to have seen them were actually describing some breed of antelope (oryx leucorix [sp?] is the typical attribution). But heraldically they are composite beasts, and therefore classified as monsters.

    They have cloven hooves, which the designer of the MilHorse unicorn add-on was aware of, but they are supposed to have "lion's" tails, not horse's tails (I suppose a donkey tail would do, but you'd want more of a tassel end) and that wasn't in the old package. They are also described as having a body like a deer's so I wouldn't expect them to be as large as a horse either.

    Frankly, what I'm looking forward to is a morph package to turn the horse into a deer or antelope. It isn't as much of a reach as a Llama, and we've got that. And further packages to cover a broader range of deer or antelope breeds would be very welcome, too. The old DAZ Buck (which doesn't even have a doe morph) and the pronghorn antelope are both getting rather elderly and could use an update.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 19,417
    edited December 1969

    JOdel said:
    CWRW mentioned working on a unicorn add-on for the DAZ Horse 2. also wings. Someone did a render in the PC renders contest of the DAZ Horse 2 with the Grane (sp?) wings for the MilHorse.

    Regarding unicorns, the thing that makes me cross is that traditionally, and heraldically they *are not horses*. They only have horse-like *heads*. They are technically chimeras and it is believed that the people who claim to have seen them were actually describing some breed of antelope (oryx leucorix [sp?] is the typical attribution). But heraldically they are composite beasts, and therefore classified as monsters.

    They have cloven hooves, which the designer of the MilHorse unicorn add-on was aware of, but they are supposed to have "lion's" tails, not horse's tails (I suppose a donkey tail would do, but you'd want more of a tassel end) and that wasn't in the old package. They are also described as having a body like a deer's so I wouldn't expect them to be as large as a horse either.

    Frankly, what I'm looking forward to is a morph package to turn the horse into a deer or antelope. It isn't as much of a reach as a Llama, and we've got that. And further packages to cover a broader range of deer or antelope breeds would be very welcome, too. The old DAZ Buck (which doesn't even have a doe morph) and the pronghorn antelope are both getting rather elderly and could use an update.

    Yes the Kirin was the closest that came to being a true mythological unicorn really

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  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 2,081
    edited December 1969

    chohole said:
    JOdel said:
    CWRW mentioned working on a unicorn add-on for the DAZ Horse 2. also wings. Someone did a render in the PC renders contest of the DAZ Horse 2 with the Grane (sp?) wings for the MilHorse.

    Regarding unicorns, the thing that makes me cross is that traditionally, and heraldically they *are not horses*. They only have horse-like *heads*. They are technically chimeras and it is believed that the people who claim to have seen them were actually describing some breed of antelope (oryx leucorix [sp?] is the typical attribution). But heraldically they are composite beasts, and therefore classified as monsters.

    They have cloven hooves, which the designer of the MilHorse unicorn add-on was aware of, but they are supposed to have "lion's" tails, not horse's tails (I suppose a donkey tail would do, but you'd want more of a tassel end) and that wasn't in the old package. They are also described as having a body like a deer's so I wouldn't expect them to be as large as a horse either.

    Frankly, what I'm looking forward to is a morph package to turn the horse into a deer or antelope. It isn't as much of a reach as a Llama, and we've got that. And further packages to cover a broader range of deer or antelope breeds would be very welcome, too. The old DAZ Buck (which doesn't even have a doe morph) and the pronghorn antelope are both getting rather elderly and could use an update.

    Yes the Kirin was the closest that came to being a true mythological unicorn really

    And goat's beards. They're supposed to have beards as well.

  • PuntomausPuntomaus Posts: 401
    edited December 2012

    Unicorn. Old French, unicorne. Latin, unicornis. Literally, one horned: unus, one, and cornu, a horn. A fabulous animal resembling a horse with one horn. ~ The last unicorn. <- That's the first thing I think of when I hear the word unicorn :D

    I've got this book Historia et veritate unicornis when I was young and it has some very lovely illustrations of unicorns. Not horse like but more like goats or deer, very fragile with thin legs, big ears and beards.

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  • JaderailJaderail Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    LOL! I love how this has gone from a Uni is not A Peg, to what a Uni should look like. All you folks just make my day so fun. Love the forums.

  • LightofHeavenLightofHeaven Posts: 625
    edited December 1969

    Well, I grew up thinking a unicorn was a horned horse with wings and Pegasus was Hercules pet. I may be smart, but smart people are ignorant too. :P

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 2,081
    edited December 2012

    The Pegasus is an actual winged horse, and it is from Greek mythology (although I think it was Perseus rather than Heracles who was associated with it -- I could be misremembering). But a unicorn isn't a horse at all. The cuddly 1-horned horses are a very twee abomination that seem to have taken over the popular imagination in the '70s. Usually with rainbows somewhere in evidence.

    Actually, there was a couple of hippie types who managed to breed a one-honed goat which I think they named Lancelot and advertised as "the living unicorn". At least one of his offspring also was single horned. There were a number of photographs, and I think a calendar or two. But it was a while ago and I can't recall any more details.

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  • RCDescheneRCDeschene Posts: 2,087
    edited December 1969

    A horse with both wings and horn is called an "Alicorn".

  • FaewolfFaewolf Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    I cant wait to have a unicorn and pegasus addon set! one of my favorite types of mythology creatures :D

    oh i remember “the living unicorn”! It turned out that it was done through surgery. All they did was transplant the little horn numbs that the goats have to the center of their forehead. it attaches to the skull and grows like normal and voila! instant unicorn - well technically its a unicorn I'd say ;P

  • LightofHeavenLightofHeaven Posts: 625
    edited December 1969

    Exactly how do you breed a one horned goat?

    I think I sawthat video about the living unicorn. I remember my stepmom akiing ggggggme if they were on drug. LOL

  • MurgatroydMurgatroyd Posts: 574
    edited December 1969

    A horse with both wings and horn is called an "Alicorn".

    That one's a neologism from sometime in the last few decades (either created or popularized by Piers Anthony). So far as I've been able to determine, there is no traditional name for such a creature.

  • BagletBaglet Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    North Korean archaeologists are claiming to have found a "Unicorn lair" - they know this as there's a sign outside saying so.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9714907/North-Korea-archaeologists-report-quite-unbelievable-discovery-of-unicorn-lair.html

  • KickAir 8PKickAir 8P Posts: 1,843
    edited December 1969

    Popping in to cast my vote for a DH2 unicorn with more traditional morphs (cloven hooves, lion-like or at least zebra-like tail, etc).

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    JOdel said:
    CWRW mentioned working on a unicorn add-on for the DAZ Horse 2. also wings. Someone did a render in the PC renders contest of the DAZ Horse 2 with the Grane (sp?) wings for the MilHorse . . .
    That would be my PlatClub Inspirations entry -- the not-a-bus Pegasus uses the Grane wings parented to the DAZHorse2. DS4.5Pro render, prework and postwork in GIMP. Larger version in my deviantART gallery here.

    Pegasus vs Pegasus

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  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 2,081
    edited December 1969

    How well do those wings work with the new horse?

  • SkirikiSkiriki Posts: 4,740
    edited December 1969

    I'm currently doing a Reality render (so be prepared to wwwaaaaiiiiiit) with DH2 + Epic Wings combo. It works out pretty well, you just gotta tilt the wings forward about 45 degrees and scale and move them to right spot.

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 2,081
    edited December 1969

    Now I'm wondering whether the Malaik wings could be used on the horse. It would be a battle to fit them and a horse into your view window, though. Those wings are enormous.

  • SkirikiSkiriki Posts: 4,740
    edited December 1969

    JOdel said:
    Now I'm wondering whether the Malaik wings could be used on the horse. It would be a battle to fit them and a horse into your view window, though. Those wings are enormous.

    If you can parent them, then yeah, probably. Also, the camera angle and render size (widescreen, for example) would help a lot.

  • SupercopeSupercope Posts: 100
    edited December 1969

    Here's an interesting piece I found on unicorns. A unicorn hasn't always been what you thought it was.

    The post comes from a religious site, but the information goes beyond religion. Please, those of you who are not religious, don't get "hung up" on that and derail the thread. As I said, there's more information in the article from a secular point of view than from a religious one.

    http://www.creationtoday.org/why-does-the-bible-mention-unicorns/

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 2,081
    edited December 2012

    Yup. Rhino. Makes all kinds of sense.

    The confusion probably came in when heraldry developed their own version. Which is, as I said, a composite monster with a horse-like head. I think there may have been some medieval descriptions from travelers' tales that version was based upon, and that's the one which later critics scoff at and claim that whoever made that description probably got a quick look at an antelope and embroidered what he saw later.

    The heraldic unicorn is fairly ancient, and the depiction stabelized graphically early enough for there to be representations ranging from (at least) the high gothic period on. And that unicorn (or licorne) has pretty much always been depicted as a more-or-less horse-like creature (it varies by the artist) with a stag's hooves and legs, a lion's tail and a goat's beard. Various depictions have decorative tufts of hair or fur at the joints of the legs or whatever the artists decided to add to fancy the image up.

    But they are never simply horses with horns.

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  • BlumBlumShubBlumBlumShub Posts: 1,077
    edited December 1969

    Just for you, LoH :D

    Using Feathered Wings scaled up and parented to Horse 2.

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  • Ken GillilandKen Gilliland Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    I guess I should chime in here... yes I'm rigging a sequel to my Grane wings (and Cwrw is set to do the textures for them whenever I finish). Being a novice with DAZ Studio rigging and Weight-map tools, I felt I needed an easier project first to build my skills up to the level of my Poser skills so that's why I did the Horserace Tack (and my forthcoming Horse racing track) first although the wing model was done months ago. I'm now more comfortable rigging in Studio for the complexity of weight mapping several layers of feathers on the wings (...and it's still a huge challenge to make it look good- DAZ WM tends to stretch feathers into odd shapes). Hopefully you'll see them around Christmas or at the start of the new year.

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 2,081
    edited December 1969

    That sounds great. Wings designed for the purpose will be bound to have fewer things that have to be worked around.

    In the meantime, here are some more horsefeathers. The Malaik wings, scaled and parented. I had to turn off the long auxilary featherssince they are long enough to extend the length of the horse body, and spread enough that there's no way to avoid intersecting.

    No postwork in this, if I were to use it for anything I'd have to do some post to mask the junction of wings and horse. There may be a section of feathers that could be turned off to make the join easier, but I didn't go hunting it. I'm not sure of the position, not being an anatomist, but the wings seem to be above the shoulders anyway.

    Scaled up to 140% and then boosted another 114% in the x-axis to avoid having to go turn one off and load another set.

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  • LightofHeavenLightofHeaven Posts: 625
    edited December 1969

    Hmm...I just tried the Epic Wings on Hosre 2. I think the gap between them is a bit narrow for the big, fat horsey. I'm thinking they should be more to the sides than directly on top

  • LightofHeavenLightofHeaven Posts: 625
    edited December 1969

    Well, heck, I JUST noticed some posts I missed.

    @BlumBlum: Looks darn good!

    @Ken: Hurry up. lol

    @JC: Looks good. BDut the problem with wings designed for human figures isthat they don't fold against the horse's body like they should.

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