I appreciate your help but did I forget to mention that it’s not just the one scene it’s EVERY TIME I open Bryce. it does not matter if it’s a scene I worked on for an hour or if I just opened a new Bryce session and import one model. as soon as I go to the mats lab and then after adjusting any material when I return to the main window my object will be spread across the tundra shall we say, lol. (been using Bryce for about four years and I have never seen any thing like this before) since my last post I did remove the Persis and Prefs and so far seems to have solved the problem, or at least I hope so, but you never know what kind of surprise Byce will throw at ya next, lol.