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Daz needs to show more respect to the adult entertainment industry re: 3D content.
Posted: 30 November 2012 07:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 61 ]
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druc - 30 November 2012 06:55 AM

As for censorship, I am not a big fan. I believe 99% of the adult human population are reasonable people and can make up their own minds about right and wrong, tasteful or vulgar, share or keep private,  we are just force feed how bad the 1% are.

Ah if only that were true.

To start off some people need to get there heads out their puritan behinds. Nudity is not porn.

Every once and a while I need to remind people what this was like in the studio 1 poser 3/4 days. Poser porn was everywhere, you couldn’t do a search for poser with out getting a dozen poser porn links. And what made it worse was quite a lot of it was kiddy porn. 

What this did was cause a backlash against poser and such sites. That is why many sites steer clear of anything that might be used in such a manner {except renderorotica, and in my opinion that place is pure filth},

DAZ; even though they send a mixed message, has tried to move away from this and not carry products that encourage it; thus no mil 4 teens.

Now I define porn as sex acts, up to that point it is erotic art. Although that is subjective. I don’t consider mammothly endowed women hooked up to milking machines art.  In fact I have yet to come up with a proper word for it.

In fact most of the “poser porn” I have been unforunet enough to see and been some of the darkest, nastiest, most fetish driven self indulgent, poor excuses for anything I have ever seen.

And just to burst your bubble, there is no pose porn industry. The only money made from it is by the people selling you the morphs, addons, animations, textures, and devises{props}. there is no money to be made making poser porn, and good luck finding a site that will host it.

Why should DAZ do anything to support any of that?

 

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Posted: 30 November 2012 09:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 62 ]
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ManStan - 30 November 2012 07:36 AM

. . . I don’t consider mammothly endowed women hooked up to milking machines art.  In fact I have yet to come up with a proper word for it . . .

Fetish erotica or kink erotica to fetish porn or kink porn, depending on how explicit it is.  I’m not gonna get into “what is art” and whether it applies to erotica/porn, though.
 
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ManStan - 30 November 2012 07:36 AM

. . . In fact most of the “poser porn” I have been unforunet enough to see and been some of the darkest, nastiest, most fetish driven self indulgent, poor excuses for anything I have ever seen . . .

Self-indulgence is pretty much the point of erotica and porn, isn’t it?  And yes, quite a bit of poser erotica/porn is for various kinks and fetishes that are difficult or impossible to depict with real people — IMHO this is a very good thing.  ohh  Which brings us to:
 
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ManStan - 30 November 2012 07:36 AM

. . . And just to burst your bubble, there is no pose porn industry. The only money made from it is by the people selling you the morphs, addons, animations, textures, and devises{props}. there is no money to be made making poser porn, and good luck finding a site that will host it . . .

Yes there is.  It’s a cottage industry ( shut eye  sorry, some of the multi-entendres are unavoidable), but it exists, and there are people on these forums who take commissions to make porn and erotic art for rare kinks (darn it, where’s Bobvan when you need him?) — not me though, I’m strictly amateur.
 
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ManStan - 30 November 2012 07:36 AM

. . . Why should DAZ do anything to support any of that?

For the money from “selling you the morphs, addons, animations, textures, and devises{props}” of course!  cool smirk
   
And a hopefully not-too-offtopic question re Genesis’s comparatively lower poly-count:  I keep hearing that with the current state of the software fewer polygons are required to support morphs, therefor this is a feature-not-a-bug.  Not true?

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Posted: 30 November 2012 09:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 63 ]
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I must admit I am rather surprised, and impressed, that this thread has not degenerated into, back of the class tittering, or burn them at the stake mobbery, indeed we seem to be having a rather interesting and ‘adult’ conversation.

Oh Man Stan, you could not be more wrong…there IS a growing CG porn industry.

As the models and textures become more realistic, and as production skills and lighting methods also become more realistic and professional, so the demand and interest in CG ‘erotica’ is growing.

I am going to break cover here and admit that I am a producer of such CG based ‘Erotica’/ Images / comics etc.

I have been producing for over four years, and year on year, I have seen sales growth in the region of 20%. Indeed last year I turned over $27,000 dollars, and I only do this part time, as a side line, and I have literally turned down $1000’s in commission requests in the past, as I just don’t have the time to fullfill them.

But I agree that this is something that DAZ should not be involved in or even acknowledge, per say, there are other ‘specialist’ sites and artists, who should be able to produce the ‘specialist bits’ that individuals such as myself may require for their models.

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Posted: 30 November 2012 10:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 64 ]
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druc - 30 November 2012 06:55 AM

... I believe 99% of the adult human population are reasonable people and can make up their own minds about right and wrong, tasteful or vulgar, share or keep private, ...

I tend to disagree.  I think the percentage is much lower.  Left to their own devices with time on their hands or in the struggle for survival human monkeys can be quite outrageous.

If not for laws and the fear of a vengeful god or everlasting damnation, human monkeys would be excessing like a scene from a painting by Hieronymus Bosch. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hieronymus_Bosch

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Posted: 30 November 2012 10:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 65 ]
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Don’t get me wrong, I love pin up art. I enjoy doing some erotic pieces. I don’t do porn. Women may drive me up the walls in no short order, but I am a feminist and see most pron as terribly degrading to women. What poser porn I have seen depicts women as little more then a sex prop.

But that is just me, I’m a simple man, I like simple things and some feminine erotic costuming is about as kinky as I get; on the women tongue wink .  But above all, I respect women too much to depict them they way I see them depicted in most all the poser porn I have seen.

Note, I am registered with renderortica and have been for quite some time.  So I have seen what is on the market and it seems 90% of it caters to extreme fetishism. 

Sorry swordkensia but all your info tells me is there are some lonely, horny men out there with too much money lol


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Posted: 30 November 2012 11:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 66 ]
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Frank0314 - 29 November 2012 02:35 PM

Lets please try to remember this is a family orientated site and avoid getting involved in graphic descriptions

Do not take offense when you read this my friend.

BUT FAMILY ORIENTATED? WTF? Family orientated?  What planet are you on? No offense. The reality is that 75% of renders are used for pornography.  You can accept this fact or continue to ignore reality.

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Really?  75% of renders? Not 74% or 10% or 95% or 51%?  All renders everywhere?  Or just at your house?

Don’t take offense to this my friend, but you have no way of quantifying the percentage of renders used for this or that purpose except for yourself and maybe a group of people you know.  I certainly doubt you have any academic research to back up this number or any other one.

The reality is that you can’t just pull stats out of the air and think that carries any weight.

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Posted: 30 November 2012 11:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 67 ]
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SickleYield - 29 November 2012 02:54 PM

The problem is not a lack of morphs to expose V4’s bits. It’s that attention has been paid to that rather than to the things that make a good 3d render or film.

So, I think you hit the nail on the head.  The OP wants DAZ to do his work for him smile

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Posted: 30 November 2012 11:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 68 ]
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Frank0314 - 29 November 2012 02:35 PM

Lets please try to remember this is a family orientated site and avoid getting involved in graphic descriptions

Do not take offense when you read this my friend.

BUT FAMILY ORIENTATED? WTF? Family orientated?  What planet are you on? No offense. The reality is that 75% of renders are used for pornography.  You can accept this fact or continue to ignore reality.

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Really?  75% of renders? Not 74% or 10% or 95% or 51%?  All renders everywhere?  Or just at your house?

Don’t take offense to this my friend, but you have no way of quantifying the percentage of renders used for this or that purpose except for yourself and maybe a group of people you know.  I certainly doubt you have any academic research to back up this number or any other one.

The reality is that you can’t just pull stats out of the air and think that carries any weight.

I missed that one, yes this conversation is tending towards fantasy now.  That is a ridiculous figure to try pulling out of the hat. If that sort of percentage were true, then it would be sites like renderotica that had vast number of members and sites like DAZ 3D and Renderosity would be struggling along with member numbers in the low thousands at best.

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Posted: 30 November 2012 11:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 69 ]
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swordkensia - 30 November 2012 09:56 AM

I must admit I am rather surprised, and impressed, that this thread has not degenerated into, back of the class tittering, or burn them at the stake mobbery, indeed we seem to be having a rather interesting and ‘adult’ conversation.

Oh Man Stan, you could not be more wrong…there IS a growing CG porn industry.

As the models and textures become more realistic, and as production skills and lighting methods also become more realistic and professional, so the demand and interest in CG ‘erotica’ is growing.

I am going to break cover here and admit that I am a producer of such CG based ‘Erotica’/ Images / comics etc.

I have been producing for over four years, and year on year, I have seen sales growth in the region of 20%. Indeed last year I turned over $27,000 dollars, and I only do this part time, as a side line, and I have literally turned down $1000’s in commission requests in the past, as I just don’t have the time to fullfill them.

But I agree that this is something that DAZ should not be involved in or even acknowledge, per say, there are other ‘specialist’ sites and artists, who should be able to produce the ‘specialist bits’ that individuals such as myself may require for their models.

Cheers,

S.K.

We’re mostly grownups here.  We all know it exists.  We all know it’s around.  And actually, I think the number of people who really think there shouldn’t be porn or erotica is quite small.  I have zero problem with people making a living selling digital porn, as adults to adults. 


For me personally, it’s not that I would never participate as an artist or think others should not.  The problem is that I don’t want to be associated, personally or professionally,  with rape content, and I have so far not seen a single digital porn site that didn’t heavily emphasize that.  Apparently consensual mutually-enjoyed sex is a very rare fetish.  I’m not sorry that DAZ stops at pinups and doesn’t proceed to becoming like ‘rotica.

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Posted: 30 November 2012 11:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 70 ]
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SickleYield - 30 November 2012 11:50 AM

For me personally, it’s not that I would never participate as an artist or think others should not.  The problem is that I don’t want to be associated, personally or professionally,  with rape content, and I have so far not seen a single digital porn site that didn’t heavily emphasize that.  Apparently consensual mutually-enjoyed sex is a very rare fetish.  I’m not sorry that DAZ stops at pinups and doesn’t proceed to becoming like ‘rotica.

Here’s yet another keen insight.  The whole purpose behind doing CGI porn is to do what real people won’t do, or can’t do… or shouldn’t do… Why do anything vanilla when you can just hire a real actor for that?

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Posted: 30 November 2012 12:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 71 ]
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SickleYield - 30 November 2012 11:50 AM

For me personally, it’s not that I would never participate as an artist or think others should not.  The problem is that I don’t want to be associated, personally or professionally,  with rape content, and I have so far not seen a single digital porn site that didn’t heavily emphasize that.  Apparently consensual mutually-enjoyed sex is a very rare fetish.  I’m not sorry that DAZ stops at pinups and doesn’t proceed to becoming like ‘rotica.

Here’s yet another keen insight.  The whole purpose behind doing CGI porn is to do what real people won’t do, or can’t do… or shouldn’t do… Why do anything vanilla when you can just hire a real actor for that?


Because you like consensuality between elves, or sci fi critters, or certain types of procedures that are impossible for most real actors?  All of those are valid reasons.  I’ve seen other people’s commissions for some of them, in fact…

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Posted: 30 November 2012 12:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 72 ]
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druc - 30 November 2012 06:55 AM

.......... about right and wrong, tasteful or vulgar, share or keep private…...

Unfortunately it’s rarely as simple as “either-or”.  More often it appears to be the level of rightness, wrongness, or even the lesser of two evils which we are willing to accept.  Since this is something that we determine as individuals, it will not correlate exactly with what other individuals believe.  This creates a whole spectrum of opinions from one extreme to the other.

Just look at the differences in opinions and reactions in this thread alone.

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Posted: 30 November 2012 12:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 73 ]
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Frank0314 - 29 November 2012 02:35 PM

Lets please try to remember this is a family orientated site and avoid getting involved in graphic descriptions

Do not take offense when you read this my friend.

BUT FAMILY ORIENTATED? WTF? Family orientated?  What planet are you on? No offense. The reality is that 75% of renders are used for pornography.  You can accept this fact or continue to ignore reality.

If this is true, I must be confused about the meaning of pornography….

IMO, maybe somewhere around 75% of renders are for pin-up type renders, but normal pin-up renders are far from porn.

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Posted: 30 November 2012 12:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 74 ]
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Actually Sickleyield you really have hit the nail on the had with you earlier statement..

A Considerable amount of material that is produced at the moment is of the type you describe and therefore that is the perception that people have of CG Porn.  Indeed I am pretty shocked at the type of stuff that is freely posted as rotica these days..most definately not my cup of tea.

My own work is all consensual, I have no interest in forced or anything else where violence is being inflicted on the participants.. I like my characters strong, independent and empowered, and actually enjoying the acts they are taking part in, thats what floats my boat..

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Faerydae - 30 November 2012 12:09 PM

IMO, maybe somewhere around 75% of renders are for pin-up type renders, but normal pin-up renders are far from porn.

Too bad not everyone agrees to that. Many people still try to define porn as anything mildly exciting. Like a swimsuit magazine or Maxim. Or a woman in tight jeans, or people doing the salsa.

EDIT: and if you think I’m being extreme, no I still deal with this mentality on a daily basis and I wish I could run away but am stuck where I am :(

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