Digital Art Zone

At the end of the day, it’s about money…  if DAZ believed they’d make a killing with a “fully functioning” Genesis, then I’m sure we’d see one in the store already.  But most sales are clothing and scene props, so all the extra polygons would potentially slow down scene manipulation while remaining hidden from view for 99% of the time.

If somebody was to release geograft expansions of exceptional detail at a reasonable price (I mean a proper job of it - front & back etc etc), I’m sure I would be at the front of the queue to get them, but I don’t honestly see a good business case for DAZ to do it.  If I believed that a good profit would be made from it, I’d take the time to model & test, and release it myself - but i don’t, so I won’t (not to mention that I’d need to improve my modelling skills)

Male-M3dia - 01 December 2012 06:13 AM

fixme12 - 01 December 2012 02:58 AM

Male-M3dia - 30 November 2012 06:23 AM

fixme12 - 30 November 2012 04:56 AM

Jabba101 - 29 November 2012 03:43 PM

Learn how to properly adjust Genesis, and learn some half-decent post work/digital painting techniques, then sky’s the limit

Yeah, how can people do that without a well written manual or very poor video tutorial section?
that’s where the first problem start…
all what’s left for many is try’ll and error and lot’s of frustration.
at that last part, people just leave and go on with other things in life.
and never look back.

Unfortunately, this isn’t where a DAZ manual comes in. You’ll need an external modeling tool to adjust the mesh you can’t do the adjusting in DS4.

why not?
daz can explain these secrets to it’s customers with well done video tutorials to.

that’s no answer for me.

Well, unfortunately being blunt, the big difference between being content providers and consumers. You didn’t bother finding out. DAZ Studio isn’t a full featured character creation application, but it offers a plug in to Zbrush. What does zbrush do? Character creation. So where should you start finding info about that? ZBRUSH. Then you find a wealth of information on building characters. All you need to do is either GoZ it back, or use Morph Loader Pro.  DS also loads in obj files… what app exports objs? Most of them. So learning those app to create your content is where you start. That’s why DAZ isn’t going to be much help because there’s so many ways to get there. You need to learn one whether it’s 3DS Max, Blender, etc.

...yeah but for a lot of us, ZBrush and Max are a bit too rich for the budget so we have to make do with modelling apps like Hex or Blender (the latter which is very capable once you get a handle on it though).

Dogz - 01 December 2012 01:11 PM

ManStan - 01 December 2012 10:05 AM

What logic, it is a proven fact. Just because you chose not to believe it doesn’t make it any less of a fact. As I said there have been dozens of clinical studies that prove it.

So What? even if they are correct who gives a crap? I’m not specifically defending poser porn which is…. well very crude at best….But i do not accept the -“It offends me / might desensitized someone, so lets BAN IT” attitude. Because that is one hell of a can of worms to open, once you start, where do you stop?

...and when you do so, it just makes it all that more attractive because now it is “taboo” or “risque”.  (Most) Humans seem to have a unique fascination with that which is “outside the law”.

Yes it is strange that a hacked up body morph (with no content advisory “panel” like a couple other sites employ), blood splatter brushes/shaders, big guns, realistic looking swords, and other nasty implements of human demise can be freely shown, but even the hint of a bare backside in the bath or an idyllic pond is deemed “inappropriate”.

I feel that if we had a better appreciation of the human form, of it’s natural beauty rather than obsession with the means to destroy it, we’d be better off.

...but that’s just my two zloty’s worth.

Oh, and ManStan, you are no doubt “painfully” right about why Daz did not release a Gen4 teen and is most likely dragging their feet on a Genesis one.  It’s a sad statement, and one (at least for this Bushido Cowgirl) that makes it that much more difficult to create the character illustrations (fully clothed of course) that I need to accompany my writings.  With the improved clothing fit tools and collision detection in today’s 3D apps, poor or inaccurate anatomy and underlying joint structure directly affects just how good or bad clothing content drapes on and moves with a character.

Honestly, I’m shocked that people actually use DAZ/Poser for things other than porn.  I can think of some commercial uses that don’t involve adult but the real money is in the sex. DAZ should know better.

I’d be satisfied if someone could make a 3D figure that could smile naturally.

...+1

laksdfj - 01 December 2012 06:00 PM

Honestly, I’m shocked that people actually use DAZ/Poser for things other than porn.  I can think of some commercial uses that don’t involve adult but the real money is in the sex. DAZ should know better.

DAZ sells to T&A fans and NormanRockwell-style artists alike by producing and broking art supplies that can be used equally well by either — that’s where the money is.  The people who get rich during a gold rush aren’t the miners, they’re the people selling the miners’ supplies.

If you need more realism than DAZ’s products supply then by all means speak up!  If you get enough people on board then DAZ might see there’s a demand that they can make money meeting.  But if (as it appears here) you’re one of only a few people who want or need this, then it’s not really in DAZ’s best interests to load the entire customer base up with features only a few will use — you’re better off asking PAs, or in this case off-site vendors.

And from that “commercial uses” bit it seems you think that DAZ’s market is made up of professional artists — some are, certainly, but last I heard the overwhelming majority of us are amateurs, hobbyists who are doing this for fun.

...and some of us are doing it to tell a story

Child of War

I Won’t Let Them Hurt You

A Greater Gift

A Captive Audience

Kodiak3D - 29 November 2012 09:33 PM

It’s DAZ’s view of itself that’s ridiculous.

I couldn’t agree more!

Everybody knows what sells…including DAZ… Plugging your ears and closing your eyes while it happens just makes it look all that more foolish.

Fauvist - 01 December 2012 06:03 PM

I’d be satisfied if someone could make a 3D figure that could smile naturally.

+2

There is porn on the internet? Well I…I mean…when did that happen???

Sockratease - 30 November 2012 03:56 PM

I still want skankwear for The DAZ Cow!

Does the Cow take offense to wearing leather? Now that is extreme kink…

All I can say is media has done a great job of dulling peoples moralistic compasses. The proof of this is any depiction of the brutalization of women or children being found acceptable. If you can some how defend this sort of “art” perhaps you need your compass checked.

Yes porn is in the eye of the beholder, for me once it becomes a sex act it is porn. Nudity is not porn, a sensual embrace is not porn. But a good portion of what I see at renderO crosses over in to the “sick” category. And yes, that is a personal opinion.

Fauvist - 01 December 2012 06:03 PM

I’d be satisfied if someone could make a 3D figure that could smile naturally.

Hmmm… recently I’ve been observing the way people smile.  Oftentimes it scares the hell out of me!  Especially women in beauty contests.  So many big teeth!  They look like they could chew you up in a second and not miss a step on the runway.  And have you noticed the claws on those gals! 8-o

Actually, I am able to get very nice little smiles from my characters.  You have to be very subtle and make one side slightly more than the other.  Don’t show the teeth.  Smiles are not all in the mouth.  Cheeks raise a little, eyes open a little, nostrils twitch slightly, head cocks just the tiniest bit, and body language is important too.  An honest smile is a glow, not a display of weapons.  Big toothy smiles are, to me, a dead givaway of insincerity.

ManStan - 01 December 2012 08:10 PM

All I can say is media has done a great job of dulling peoples moralistic compasses. The proof of this is any depiction of the brutalization of women or children being found acceptable. If you can some how defend this sort of “art” perhaps you need your compass checked.

How come you continue with the attitude that all porn is about brutalization of women?

Porn is about explicit showing of what is going on, about getting your rockets off.

It is possible to have fun, nice, consensual and empowering porn as well.

Here’s a problem: lots of image sites keep going with the attitude “no no no no NO any kind of sex!”, which means that of course all that questionable stuff stays out. But it also means that fun, nice, consensual and empowering sexy kind stays out as well. And when you’re forced to use sites that allow really sleazy stuff… well. That’s when funny things start to happen.

A real life parallel here: Finland used to have (1980s-1990s) a law in books that forbade distributing (renting, selling) violent movies. Either a movie had to be censored for excessive violence (snipping away the offending parts), or if the company with distributing rights refused to, not sold/rented at all. People were, however, allowed to buy stuff from abroad for their own private use.

Result: we developed an underground culture where people bought the most violent crap around, and copied it to their friends (who also copied it onwards). It was not worth getting stuff that was available with only couple of minutes or seconds of content snipped off—people went hardcore. For example, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre was completely forbidden from 1974 to 1996, hence reaching almost unparalled cult status as something everyone (who liked such movies even a little) should see.

Earlier, we had the same thing happening with the Prohibition Laws—people who had been happy with an occasional drink of ale or beer accompanying food, or a shot of spirits on Saturday evening in moderation, developed a taste for strong spirits, drunk in a wild spree. Why? Because any moment your smuggled drink could be taken away, so best to chug it down as fast as possible for the best possible buzz—it simply wasn’t worth getting a bottle of beer, and smugglers wouldn’t sell it anyway. Prohibition was a solution in search of a problem, and ended up creating the problem itself.

Currently, same sort of things are going on with the internet itself, of which I’m sure you can think of some examples yourself.

It seems that the “problem” is a part of human psychology: What is it that you do not want to let me see? Humanity has worse curiosity than a cat.

Another interesting factoid: humans aren’t the only species who like to see the peculiarities of mating process. Pandas, for example, are getting a boost from being shown some panda pr0n (other pandas recorded in act of mating) in advance—it apparently increases the chances of conception, thus getting more lovely baby pandas for us to ooooh and aaaah and squee over.

So… tl;dr—“not all porn is about degrading women, and sometimes the blocks erected have unintended consequences”.