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Posted: 25 November 2012 02:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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argus1000 - 25 November 2012 01:12 PM

In the meantime, depressed as I was waiting for the production version, I’ve started drinking. Heavily. The question is: will I have to become a full-fledged, irreversible alcoholic before the production version of Carrara 8.5 is released? Is there any hope for me? confused

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Posted: 25 November 2012 02:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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I am an alcoholic, and a violent drunk, very, very bad combo. I quit drinking a bit over 25 years ago. Not a good place to be, but I understand you.

I’m just getting back in to carrara, using 8.5 exclusively and genesis a lot, but just running carrara through it’s paces. For me the soft cloth, soft body physics is far more exciting then genesis. I mean the I have far more fun with bullet physics then genesis. wink

I’m not so much wanting 8.5 now as some update on what is going on.

Here is my latest soft cloth test with genesis. For some reason with genesis I really have to hunt for lower poly dresses then what I use for other figures. For Antonia I used a high poly floor length skirt.

{ no you can’t see her ugly feet lol shoes didn’t do well wink }

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Posted: 25 November 2012 02:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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ManStan - 25 November 2012 02:14 PM

I’m not so much wanting 8.5 now as some update on what is going on.

Testify brother! Just a quick message from somebody telling us what’s up…not too much to ask in my opinion.

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Posted: 25 November 2012 02:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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ManStan - 25 November 2012 02:14 PM

I’m just getting back in to carrara, using 8.5 exclusively and genesis a lot, but just running carrara through it’s paces. For me the soft cloth, soft body physics is far more exciting then genesis. I mean the I have far more fun with bullet physics then genesis. wink

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Have you been doing many animations lately?
How is the cloth performing in 8.5?
I remember someone saying they were having difficulties with the cloth and the Dynamic hair.

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Posted: 25 November 2012 02:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Garstor - 25 November 2012 02:24 PM

Testify brother! Just a quick message from somebody telling us what’s up…not too much to ask in my opinion.

Aren’t you the same guy considering Lightwave?

Um…you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.  smile

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Posted: 25 November 2012 03:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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LW 11.5 does look like it will be great. Wish it cost less but you get the research and development with higher prices the hobbyist folks will never go for here. Also, you have Autodesk selling 90-day licenses now for 3ds Max and Maya for $199. It sure is getting interesting in the CG world.

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Posted: 25 November 2012 03:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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tsarist - 25 November 2012 02:55 PM
ManStan - 25 November 2012 02:14 PM

I’m just getting back in to carrara, using 8.5 exclusively and genesis a lot, but just running carrara through it’s paces. For me the soft cloth, soft body physics is far more exciting then genesis. I mean the I have far more fun with bullet physics then genesis. wink

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Have you been doing many animations lately?
How is the cloth performing in 8.5?
I remember someone saying they were having difficulties with the cloth and the Dynamic hair.

It behaves oddly. The cloth doesn’t seem to respond to the models movement. But I’ve done direction force testing, moving the force in a circle. The cloth clings to the model and drapes away from it like I would expect. So I’m not sure why it doesn’t respond to model movement. But it does work quite well; your mileage may vary, for still shots. The simpler the clothes the better it works, but you can “pin” collars and cuffs if need be.

I was hoping 3dage would have this figured out by now LOL

Here’s another one, but I have the clothe set too stretchy, you can see the pattern in the skirt.  The skirt has a fine checked pattern ment to show up in stretched polies.

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Posted: 25 November 2012 04:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Kevin Sanderson - 25 November 2012 03:12 PM

LW 11.5 does look like it will be great. Wish it cost less but you get the research and development with higher prices the hobbyist folks will never go for here. Also, you have Autodesk selling 90-day licenses now for 3ds Max and Maya for $199. It sure is getting interesting in the CG world.

I was looking at several other options since Carrara whet my appetite for playing with 3D. I do consider myself a hobbyist but I want a tool that is more capable than Carrara. I’m not abandoning Carrara by any stretch; just wanting to grow in a direction that I currently cannot with Carrara alone.

I had no idea about the 90 day licenses. That’s cool, but its also not enough time for me. My full-time job keeps me away from Carrara enough as it is (oh, for a lottery win…). LW appears to fit in budget-wise between Carrara and Maya—there was no chance I could justify $5000 on this hobby (yet).

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Posted: 25 November 2012 04:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Those 90-day licenses are a limited time deal, but if they sell a bunch, maybe they’ll expand it.

I still remember a guy telling me years ago that Carrara was the poor man’s Lightwave and compared the renderer favorably to LW’s. That’s what pushed me into getting it.

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Posted: 25 November 2012 04:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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tsarist - 25 November 2012 02:55 PM

Have you been doing many animations lately?
How is the cloth performing in 8.5?
I remember someone saying they were having difficulties with the cloth and the Dynamic hair.

Cloth in 8.5 is working pretty nicely, though it still doesn’t work with moving collision objects. Hasn’t worked with moving figures for a while now. Apparently they disconnected that last year (?). So animations are out, unless you go some other route. But the draping is very nice. And it’s a lot less finicky and doesn’t tend to blow up like it used to.

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Posted: 25 November 2012 05:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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BTW, I noticed that in ver. 11.5 Lightwave has one of those newfangled “shadow catcher” thingies…cool.  smile

Now did LW ever get a UV mapping feature? I seem to recall that, for a long time, until surprisingly recently, you had to use a (free) plugin to do UV mapping. Unless my brain is confused again.

And for those with LW, I’m curious: have they implemented a dynamic cloth feature using Bullet, or are you still using that ridiculous, half baked, impossible to understand, whatchamacallit cloth feature?

One of the reasons I jumped ship with LW. Seems like just about anything you wanted to do you needed a plugin for. And plugin developers came and went, and often you were left hanging. Like with that hair plugin…

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Posted: 25 November 2012 05:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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JoeMamma2000 - 25 November 2012 05:02 PM

BTW, I noticed that in ver. 11.5 Lightwave has one of those newfangled “shadow catcher” thingies…cool.  smile

Now did LW ever get a UV mapping feature? I seem to recall that, for a long time, until surprisingly recently, you had to use a (free) plugin to do UV mapping. Unless my brain is confused again.

And for those with LW, I’m curious: have they implemented a dynamic cloth feature using Bullet, or are you still using that ridiculous, half baked, impossible to understand, whatchamacallit cloth feature?

One of the reasons I jumped ship with LW. Seems like just about anything you wanted to do you needed a plugin for. And plugin developers came and went, and often you were left hanging. Like with that hair plugin…

I cannot comment on the history of the product since I am still playing with the 30 day trial for v11. The Dreamlight Model Master training series does cover UV mapping in LW though so I guess the answer to your first question is, “Yes.”

Considering that I am just barely getting to understand UV mapping in Carrara, I’m not keen on re-learning how to do it in LW.

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Posted: 25 November 2012 06:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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JoeMamma2000 - 25 November 2012 05:02 PM

And for those with LW, I’m curious: have they implemented a dynamic cloth feature using Bullet, or are you still using that ridiculous, half baked, impossible to understand, whatchamacallit cloth feature?

I don’t own LW but according to their page for all the v11.5 goodness, soft body and cloth comes to their use of Bullet. Bullet hard body dynamics are in v11.

High priced plugins kept me away from LW and 3ds Max way back when I could’ve bought them.

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Posted: 25 November 2012 06:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Kevin Sanderson - 25 November 2012 06:04 PM

I don’t own LW but according to their page for all the v11.5 goodness, soft body and cloth comes to their use of Bullet. Bullet hard body dynamics are in v11.

High priced plugins kept me away from LW and 3ds Max way back when I could’ve bought them.

That is another point of concern for me…my investment in various props and models from Daz. I’m sure that I can still use Carrara to put together a scene and then export the whole thing as an OBJ file…

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Posted: 25 November 2012 06:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Garstor - 25 November 2012 05:55 PM

Considering that I am just barely getting to understand UV mapping in Carrara, I’m not keen on re-learning how to do it in LW.

The standard advice I give here that makes everyone real upset:

Don’t tie your learning to a software application. Learn 3D from a general book on 3D, where you learn the concepts, as opposed to what the dials and buttons do in a particular application. Once you learn the basic concepts, you’ll go into any new application knowing what to expect, so it becomes just a matter of “where’s the button for this”, rather than “hmm, what the heck does this do?”

Makes life a lot easier.

If, of course, that’s what you want….

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