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Is it just me or has DAZ gone all mum on carrara? I don’t recall reading anything new about it. Been quite a few months since the last update. In fact I don’t think we ever got the last one they were touting as coming out in a few days.

So what is up? Did the devs hit a wall? Decide to hold off on further C8.5 updates/development till they finish with studio? Or as I believe, is there no devs actually working on carrara?

I noticed its been quite a while since there was any activity in this thread.

Has there been any news yet?

ManStan - 23 November 2012 08:03 AM

Is it just me or has DAZ gone all mum on carrara? I don’t recall reading anything new about it. Been quite a few months since the last update. In fact I don’t think we ever got the last one they were touting as coming out in a few days.

So what is up? Did the devs hit a wall? Decide to hold off on further C8.5 updates/development till they finish with studio? Or as I believe, is there no devs actually working on carrara?

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Well, I guess maybe they have finally listened to us that we want them to take their time and get it right.

tsarist - 23 November 2012 01:27 PM

ManStan - 23 November 2012 08:03 AM

Is it just me or has DAZ gone all mum on carrara? I don’t recall reading anything new about it. Been quite a few months since the last update. In fact I don’t think we ever got the last one they were touting as coming out in a few days.

So what is up? Did the devs hit a wall? Decide to hold off on further C8.5 updates/development till they finish with studio? Or as I believe, is there no devs actually working on carrara?

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Well, I guess maybe they have finally listened to us that we want them to take their time and get it right.

Posted on Jul 27, 2012 “Close to a new Carrara 8.5 beta update”
“This build will be out in a few days.”
http://carraracafe.com/?p=2112

As far as I know that update never came out. I haven’t heard a peep about carrara since, that’s 5 months. It’s one thing to take their time, quite another to appear to have stopped development.

ManStan - 23 November 2012 01:46 PM

Posted on Jul 27, 2012 “Close to a new Carrara 8.5 beta update”
“This build will be out in a few days.”
http://carraracafe.com/?p=2112

As far as I know that update never came out. I haven’t heard a peep about carrara since, that’s 5 months. It’s one thing to take their time, quite another to appear to have stopped development.

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Wow, that was July?!
Okay. I see your point.

ManStan - 23 November 2012 08:03 AM

Is it just me or has DAZ gone all mum on carrara?

It’s not just you.

Either DAZ management really hates to talk to their customers, or they just have really poor communication skills.

It does seem like information regarding Carrara has halted; to wit:

* When the Carrara beta recently went from $0 to $199.95 in the DAZ store, there was no explanation for days. I even sent a PM to DAZ_bfurner but got no reply.

* A few days later the entire page for the beta download was removed. Again, with no explanation.

* Some people have mentioned that resetting their Carrara downloads have produced a link for the beta. However, in each case it has been for version 8.5.0.132, not the current beta 8.5.0.172.

These things combined makes one wonder.

As the December 1st serial number expiration date is approaching, we don’t have long to wait to see whether or not we’ve been completely abandoned.

“When the Carrara beta recently went from $0 to $199.95 “

That is worrisome, DAZ is well know for letting the cat out of the bag too early. That may very well be DAZ’s “nominal” fee for C8.5.
But DAZ being close mouthed is nothing new. Which is good for DAZ as they had been well know for putting their foot in their mouth every time they opened it.

But correct me if I’m wrong, hasn’t C8.5 been in beta for close to 18 months? That is an awful long time for a .5 beta. Yes I want things fixed and working right, but it would be nice to know just what the L is going on.

The one good sign recently was their special deal on Carrara for buyers of Howie’s new scene. And we know they got at least a few sales just from posts that have been popping up here and in the Commons. I’m guessing after the first of the year we’ll hear some news. IIRC, they were going to try to get as much fixed as possible, get Genesis working in Poser and Carrara and get documentation of some kind going. That’s a lot of work for a small company with practically the whole staff working on the website and store upgrade besides Genesis, fixing DAZ Studio and getting documentation for DAZ Studio. I’m amazed they’ve managed to get much else done. 8.5 would still have had to wait on Genesis as that was the main new thing for 8.5 so that was the ultimate jam up and probably why we haven’t seen anything recently. Hey, people were thinking messiah was dead as pmG hadn’t said anything in months and all of sudden there’s a special pre-sale offer for v6 and news that it will be released first quarter of next year - but they won’t say what the about 60 improvements are. Talk about a company that has no communication and that’s pmG. Fori doesn’t like to tell anybody anything! Makes DAZ look like a bunch of chatterboxes! Of course you have all the usual indignant types posting on setuptab.com but a whole bunch of loyal users who’ve never been burned and are ready to spend for an upgrade with little to no information - of course the pre-sale upgrade is a steal at $65 (normal upgrade $249-$299).

“8.5 would still have had to wait on Genesis as that was the main new thing for 8.5 so that was the ultimate jam up and probably why we haven’t seen anything recently.” Kevin Sanderson

That I can’t argue with.

tsarist - 23 November 2012 01:27 PM

Well, I guess maybe they have finally listened to us that we want them to take their time and get it right.

Oh how I wish that I could believe that!

The total radio silence from Daz is disturbing. It would be nice if there was a dev on the forum who was willing to talk a bit about Carrara.

de3an - 23 November 2012 03:04 PM

Some people have mentioned that resetting their Carrara downloads have produced a link for the beta. However, in each case it has been for version 8.5.0.132, not the current beta 8.5.0.172.

.172 was a step backwards from the 132 build. Broke a lot of Genesis morphs and broke my spot render tool.

Garstor - 24 November 2012 09:32 PM

tsarist - 23 November 2012 01:27 PM

Well, I guess maybe they have finally listened to us that we want them to take their time and get it right.

Oh how I wish that I could believe that!

The total radio silence from Daz is disturbing. It would be nice if there was a dev on the forum who was willing to talk a bit about Carrara.

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I agree.
I didn’t realise how long the radio silence had been until Stan told me.

Last update I found:
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/4700/P135

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akulla3D - 13 September 2012 08:08 AM
Apparently silence is golden. Would be nice to know what is going on, as summer is now over so everyone should be back from Vacation at this point.

We are working on the final bugs to have the 8.5 build ready to release. We have one major bug that needs to be fixed, tested then we should be ready to roll out. Not sure the time frame, but it is looking good.

Well that is a bit closer, just 3 months ago.

ManStan - 25 November 2012 07:03 AM

Well that is a bit closer, just 3 months ago.

Indeed. Many companies - regardless of size - have taken to letting the developers blog and discuss current projects (within reason). That’s one big reason why I have become so disillusioned with Daz over this. I don’t expect second-by-second updates covering ever line of code written…but a dev popping in here once a week or so would be reassuring.

“Yep, we’re still working on it. Found a handle leak with our new rendering code that took us a while to figure out. Back on track now.”

(hopefully it is obvious to everyone that that quote was entirely imagined in my own fevered brain and shouldn’t used elsewhere… )

ManStan - 23 November 2012 04:59 PM

But correct me if I’m wrong, hasn’t C8.5 been in beta for close to 18 months? That is an awful long time for a .5 beta. Yes I want things fixed and working right, but it would be nice to know just what the L is going on.

I started investing in Genesis about a year ago. I studied all aspects of Genesis . I wanted to make a little movie with Carrara 8.5 and Genesis. I was hoping for a reasonably near release of the production version, because I cannot afford to go ahead with my little movie without it.  Too many things are not finished with beta 172.  Now that has been going on for some time. But I’ve been patient. Patience is a virtue, I’ve been told. In the meantime, depressed as I was waiting for the production version, I’ve started drinking. Heavily. The question is: will I have to become a full-fledged, irreversible alcoholic before the production version of Carrara 8.5 is released? Is there any hope for me?