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Never mad the jump to 4.5 and Genesis, a Poser user, and as such my shopping is down here at DAZ.  Sill will pickup an item if it is for Poser, mostly settings or other model.

We also support Poser 6 and up as well as DS 3 and 4 in all our environment and character sets except in a few circumstances (Maybe 2 LOL)

I don’t see that changing for us. I know times changes and software and technology does and while thats great I have a lot of empathy for those who can’t afford to constantly upgrade so we try as best we can to be as backward compatible as possible even if that means extra work etc.

well.. of course times change and so does software
all moves on.. but Poser goes great and has reached version 2012 and will move on to Poser 10 and onwards
It does not need things like Daz4.5.1.5.6.9.0 upgrades all the time

and what can be done with V4 is absolute close to photo realistic

It is fun that Genesis has clothes that fit instantly.. but so does V4 cross talk

Stop with making new Vic figures, make V4 more perfect (if you think that is needed)

I do not..

As I am sure that when we would have gotten many Genesis and V5 things there comes a V6 that is much much much better
and we start again. That is unwise.. unwanted..

and it will be in the end the end of DAZ

stay with V4 and make morphs that make her more perfect
and stop with Genesis and continue with the Poser Crosstalk clothing

the only only only thing I like about Genesis so far is that you can fnally make the fingers longer..
well.. make a morph that does that trick with V4

(please)

These are bad economic times.. for most in the world
stick to and return to V4 and make much more for her

There is still money to make if you do.. for vendors.. create cities.. buildings… streets, cars… trees.. look at renderosity…
look at Runtimedna… stop your so called progress with the V5 and genesis ... make V4 more perfect without starting all over again

DAZ_ann0314 - 14 December 2012 01:02 PM

We also support Poser 6 and up as well as DS 3 and 4 in all our environment and character sets except in a few circumstances (Maybe 2 LOL)

I don’t see that changing for us. I know times changes and software and technology does and while thats great I have a lot of empathy for those who can’t afford to constantly upgrade so we try as best we can to be as backward compatible as possible even if that means extra work etc.

I know you do Anne that is my I have a folder in my runtime just for “ART Collaborations Products”.  and I mix and match them and use them in almost everything i create.. as they say you got the good stuff.

efron_24 - 14 December 2012 01:14 PM

well.. of course times change and so does software
all moves on.. but Poser goes great and has reached version 2012 and will move on to Poser 10 and onwards
It does not need things like Daz4.5.1.5.6.9.0 upgrades all the time

and what can be done with V4 is absolute close to photo realistic

It is fun that Genesis has clothes that fit instantly.. but so does V4 cross talk

Stop with making new Vic figures, make V4 more perfect (if you think that is needed)

I do not..

As I am sure that when we would have gotten many Genesis and V5 things there comes a V6 that is much much much better
and we start again. That is unwise.. unwanted..

and it will be in the end the end of DAZ

stay with V4 and make morphs that make her more perfect
and stop with Genesis and continue with the Poser Crosstalk clothing

the only only only thing I like about Genesis so far is that you can fnally make the fingers longer..
well.. make a morph that does that trick with V4

(please)

These are bad economic times.. for most in the world
stick to and return to V4 and make much more for her

There is still money to make if you do.. for vendors.. create cities.. buildings… streets, cars… trees.. look at renderosity…
look at Runtimedna… stop your so called progress with the V5 and genesis ... make V4 more perfect without starting all over again

Actually if Daz had offered V5 & M5 for V4 & M4 format they would have sold more I mean we need to have the genesis V4 morphs for V5 anyway so why not make it in both file formats… I complain to smith micro also about not making Alyson avilabbil for V4 because that would make the character wardrobe go futher

I like what they offer for genesis I just don’t use it. so if they would Have offered those products in . DAZ &PZ3; file formats for older versions of daz and for poser , I would have jump on buying them ...  same for the genesis clothing.. if they would have offered them for daz3 and poser formats they would sell a lot more of them.  at least i know i would have bought them.

@efron_24 no thanks I can’t abide Poser.
I would never go back to V4 or M4 I much prefer the versatility of Genesis.
And yes do look at RDNA and Renderosity, RDNA has a small market their stuff is good and versatile but alot of their stuff doesn’t cater for the DS user so they loose out there, and renderosity is just saturated with similar variations of the same things for the Gen 4 girls.

Arguably female fighters in heels tend to look stupid

Wow, it isn’t just me! One of the biggest sale killers for me is a female “action” figure in heels. Even Boris Vallejo knew enough to put them in flats.

As for targeted marketing: I nearly succumbed to the Thank You Vic and Mike, and then noticed something that may be the final deal-stopper for me with DAZ figures. No genitals? Why do people put up with this silliness? Would you buy a “human” figure with only three fingers? With one eye missing? We went through this before, when M3 came out (there was a lengthy battle over whether DAZ should at least tell us before the sale that Mike had been thoroughly scalped). We won that round, and now I see the same “If you want genitals, you must be a prevert” getting slung around. Darlins, if my kid was born without genitals, I’d be upset. What kind of perv does that make me?

Passing on Vic 5, and sorry I spent money on Genesis and Steph 5.

scorpio64dragon - 14 December 2012 03:25 PM

@efron_24 no thanks I can’t abide Poser.
I would never go back to V4 or M4 I much prefer the versatility of Genesis.
And yes do look at RDNA and Renderosity, RDNA has a small market their stuff is good and versatile but alot of their stuff doesn’t cater for the DS user so they loose out there, and renderosity is just saturated with similar variations of the same things for the Gen 4 girls.

...admittedly I have to agree.

In the first pic below I had to merge Sadie and Aiko 3 hiding Aiko’s head and Sadie’s body.  This had to be redone for every pose I used.

In the second pick I simply scaled the Genesis version of Sadie added a bit of Steph and was able to use clothing content that would have taken a wing and prayer to convert correctly using XD.

This could never have been done with the Figure Mixer in 3Advanced.

I disagree, to go back to individual figures for each character would be a total step back. I love genesis for the Fact that I can dial up any character and mix all of them. I dont like Gen 4 rigging, the bends seem much more toony (Sure Genesis does have some issues with bends, but it’s a huge improvement over generation 4 in my opinion) I’m much more capable of creating original/unique characters with genesis than I ever was with generation 4 which is the reason I got into Daz in the first place.

mickmca - 14 December 2012 05:33 PM

As for targeted marketing: I nearly succumbed to the Thank You Vic and Mike, and then noticed something that may be the final deal-stopper for me with DAZ figures. No genitals?

There are genitals available, but only in certain bundles.  The pro bundles for Vicky and Mike, I think.  And Steph.  Some character products include textures for the genitals, and some don’t.  If that’s important to you, read the fine print.  Or check, before your 30 days are up. 

I personally don’t care for Genesis.  I like Poser.  Especially the newest version of Poser.  The renders just look a lot better to me.  I also use Vue a lot, and Poser is more compatible with Vue.  It’s possible to get Genesis into Vue, but there’s a lot more hoops to jump through. 

But I don’t think everyone should go back to V4.  People are doing great things with Genesis; more power to them. 

I do think we might be seeing the beginning of a split in the marketplace.  People who love Genesis don’t want to go back to V4.  People who love Poser don’t want to give up their advanced shaders, weight-mapping, dynamic hair, etc.  Of course compatibility is great…to a point.  Nobody wants to be stuck with Poser 4 technology forever just for the sake of compatibility.  Both DS and Poser are advancing, and that might necessarily mean they are growing less compatible.

Not sure why people forget there is quite a viable alternative to Studio and Poser. The beta works quite nicely with genesis. Renders better and faster then ether. Is not limited to poser/DAZ content. Has built in modeling so you can make morphs on the fly. And does wide open environments.

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/products/carrara/carrara-what-is-carrara

But are DAZ committed to developing it? Or would switching to Carrara be potentially a blind alley?

And of course it is not free.

Do you think a Studio user would be able to switch over easily, what sort of learning curve is there?

ManStan - 15 December 2012 07:33 AM

Not sure why people forget there is quite a viable alternative to Studio and Poser. The beta works quite nicely with genesis. Renders better and faster then ether. Is not limited to poser/DAZ content. Has built in modeling so you can make morphs on the fly. And does wide open environments.

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/products/carrara/carrara-what-is-carrara

Carrara is on my to-buy list. I’m a bit tapped out due to christmas and already extensive purchases since getting Daz Studio and Genesis. I’ve never used it before, but I was very impressed by the promotional videos for it. I’m not sure of how well it works with Genesis models though, considering it’s Daz’s own software I’d assume it’s 100% compatible. As eager as I am to dig into that wonderful looking software, I must keep a tighter rein on my spending for now. At least until the new year arrives.

The irony is if I had gone for a platinum membership before I went crazy on buying Genesis items I’d probably have been able to buy Carrara with the money saved on discounts!

I’ve tried Carrara, but just can’t figure it out. 

I’m just not that good at modeling.  I’ve bought Carrara, Shade, Hexagon, and tried a bunch of others.  The only one can I do anything with is Anim8or.  And I can only make fairly basic models with that.

I’m willing to try just about anything if it has something I really want.  That’s why I sunk over a thousand bucks into Vue (never mind the content).  I wanted the Ecosystem trees and stuff.  Upgraded to the last version because of the underwater caustics, and the current version because of the animated waterfalls.  But so far, there’s nothing in Genesis that makes it something I have to have.  That might change in the future, but for now, there’s nothing that inspires me to part with my money or learn new software.

genesis figures work slowly in poser and this hasn’t been fixed yet either.  (not necessarily DAZ fault).  On top of this the link to the list of the products that have been updated to be compatible with poser has become really difficult to find (I can’t find it all today), but the links used to be in several places including they used to be on the front pages. 
Also I do not get any emails to tell me that genesis products I have bought have been updated to be compatible with poser. I don’t even know if DAZ staff are rushing to do these or not.  I feel disappointed because I spent probably close to 1000 dollars on genesis for poser stuff, but daz doesn’t seem interested in me.
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