Digital Art Zone

I check on this kind of thread rather often, as others may be doing from time to time.
Not a lot of forward info, lots of hope and charity, but always enjoy the conversations. Long live the King!

If DAZ does not have the resources to update the web page http://www.daz3d.com/products/bryce/bryce-tech-specs/ to even mention Mountain Lion, where will they get the resources to update Bryce to run on Mountain Lion?

Or when that page says “OS X 10.4 or above (Not currently compatible with OS X 10.7 Lion)” do they actually mean that it is compatible with OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion, just not Lion?

No it means it is only compatible with the OS X that came before Lion. It does rather stand to reason.

No Chohole, this does not stand to reason.

Mountain lion is an upgraded operating system. There are several programs that WILL operate on, say, MacOS 10.1-10.2, WON’T operate on OS X 10.3 - 10.5, and WILL operate on 10.5 to 10.6. The reason an old app came back into being is either an OS enhancement allowed the running of certain APIs, or a shortcut was found that allowed its use.

But this is all irrelevant. Mac Bryce is off the table as far as development goes in its current form. It has been retired and isn’t supported – that’s why it’s free. Also, stiv is completely accurate in his assessment over the web page update. Updating a web page and web resources is among the simplest jobs in the IT industry to do. If DAZ3D won’t lift a finger to make one little text change of a web page, they’ve got NOTHING in the tank for a software upgrade.

OK, I stand corrected.  I will send a query through channels.

stiv - 28 November 2012 12:10 PM

If DAZ does not have the resources to update the web page http://www.daz3d.com/products/bryce/bryce-tech-specs/ to even mention Mountain Lion, where will they get the resources to update Bryce to run on Mountain Lion?

Or when that page says “OS X 10.4 or above (Not currently compatible with OS X 10.7 Lion)” do they actually mean that it is compatible with OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion, just not Lion?

That’s quite an assumption that they don’t have the resources to update the web page. There could be plenty of other reasons the web page has not been updated. A big one that comes to mind is they’re distracted with the sales common in the last several months of the year. Which has been the way things go for several years now. Then again they may feel there just hasn’t been enough interest to worry about updating the page? I mean just look at how threads here in the Bryce forum go compared to threads in the Members Only forum or the commons. I’ve seen threads in those forums during one of their big sales grow more in one day then most threads here grow in a year. Like it or not Bryce is just a very small niche market right now and the Mac portion of that market is even smaller still.

Now think seriously about what all these threads complaining about Bryce’s developement will do to people considering Bryce. If you’re being fair and reasonable all this presumption of how Bryce is dead only leads to one logical conclusion, people not using it will likely decide not to use it, why invest the time in learning a program that so many who currently use it are saying is dead? All this wailing and gnashing of teeth is only going to increase the likelihood it will just be left to die.

LordHardDriven - 28 November 2012 05:21 PM

stiv - 28 November 2012 12:10 PM

If DAZ does not have the resources to update the web page http://www.daz3d.com/products/bryce/bryce-tech-specs/ to even mention Mountain Lion, where will they get the resources to update Bryce to run on Mountain Lion?

Or when that page says “OS X 10.4 or above (Not currently compatible with OS X 10.7 Lion)” do they actually mean that it is compatible with OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion, just not Lion?

That’s quite an assumption that they don’t have the resources to update the web page. There could be plenty of other reasons the web page has not been updated. A big one that comes to mind is they’re distracted with the sales common in the last several months of the year. Which has been the way things go for several years now. Then again they may feel there just hasn’t been enough interest to worry about updating the page? I mean just look at how threads here in the Bryce forum go compared to threads in the Members Only forum or the commons. I’ve seen threads in those forums during one of their big sales grow more in one day then most threads here grow in a year. Like it or not Bryce is just a very small niche market right now and the Mac portion of that market is even smaller still.

Now think seriously about what all these threads complaining about Bryce’s developement will do to people considering Bryce. If you’re being fair and reasonable all this presumption of how Bryce is dead only leads to one logical conclusion, people not using it will likely decide not to use it, why invest the time in learning a program that so many who currently use it are saying is dead? All this wailing and gnashing of teeth is only going to increase the likelihood it will just be left to die.

At this point in time Bryce deserves to die, I’m not happy right now about the fact, but the issue is simple, Daz has once bought and now killed Bryce by ignoring it long enough where people are now forced to learn much harder software packages.

If Daz ever gets Bryce working again, I am not sure many Mac users will come back and allow false hope again for one more chance of redemption.

I’m open for suggestions:
What do any of you consider a comparable replacement to Bryce?
I have my opinions, but would greatly appreciate fellow artists/enthusiasts/zealots input.
Thanks in advance.
Mac, btw.

Sarcastica - 28 November 2012 07:25 PM

I’m open for suggestions:
What do any of you consider a comparable replacement to Bryce?
I have my opinions, but would greatly appreciate fellow artists/enthusiasts/zealots input.
Thanks in advance.
Mac, btw.

Compared to what Bryce did there aren’t many, but Blender is one, others are paid for, but for now I can’t remember many right now.

Matt Ridge - 28 November 2012 07:20 PM

If Daz ever gets Bryce working again, I am not sure many Mac users will come back and allow false hope again for one more chance of redemption.

Bryce works fine on my Mac… It’s obituary is a bit premature.

TheSavage64 - 28 November 2012 08:59 PM

Matt Ridge - 28 November 2012 07:20 PM

If Daz ever gets Bryce working again, I am not sure many Mac users will come back and allow false hope again for one more chance of redemption.

Bryce works fine on my Mac… It’s obituary is a bit premature.

And what version of the Mac OS and what Mac are you using?

I have a Late 2011 iMac and a ASUS Hackintosh, both use 10.8.x as their OS, Bryce will NOT work on either.

The iMac has 16GB ram a 1 GB HD, a TB of HD space, and enough power to run a small space station.

The Hakintosh is a i7 processor 3rd gen, 17.3” LCD, 32GB ram, 2GB video card, and 2.3TB of HD space.

Now I don’t know about you but I have no intention of downgrading my OS, or attempt to use CrossOver, or VMWare to run Windows on my Mac, and run Bryce in it, because I’ve already tried and all three attempts have failed utterly.

I’m sorry, Bryce deserves to be buried, because Daz has obviously put the final nail in the coffin by offering free software to a majority of people that can’t run it, just to piss them off so badly that they are forced to learn new software in return.

You want to piss off an OS base, offer them something that doesn’t work, and then ignore them for two OS revisions and tell them that there is no future opportunities of the upgrade or update of said software in the cards for quite some time.

Then revamp the website pushing the software forward as the latest and greatest thing out there, when it won’t work on a computer that has been released for almost three years time.

Yeah, it may work on your computer, but it won’t work on computers that came out in the past three years which sums up to be over 3 million users.

Like I’ve said before (on page 1 of this thread), I have a perfectly working Macbook, with a perfectly working copy of OSX 10.5.8 which runs a perfectly working copy of Bryce Pro 7… As well as EVERY other software I need.

I’ll also buy a new Mac eventually… but I’ll be keeping this one, (as I’ve kept every single Mac I’ve ever owned) even if just to run Bryce.

So Bryce isn’t going to die anytime soon.

You too can join in the fun by purchasing an older Mac on eBay (you can pick one up for less than £100) with OSX 10.5.8 already installed…
... Or you can continue to whinge.

I guess it depends on how much you like using Bryce.

Matt Ridge - 28 November 2012 09:32 PM

TheSavage64 - 28 November 2012 08:59 PM

Matt Ridge - 28 November 2012 07:20 PM

If Daz ever gets Bryce working again, I am not sure many Mac users will come back and allow false hope again for one more chance of redemption.

Bryce works fine on my Mac… It’s obituary is a bit premature.

And what version of the Mac OS and what Mac are you using?

I have a Late 2011 iMac and a ASUS Hackintosh, both use 10.8.x as their OS, Bryce will NOT work on either.

The iMac has 16GB ram a 1 GB HD, a TB of HD space, and enough power to run a small space station.

The Hakintosh is a i7 processor 3rd gen, 17.3” LCD, 32GB ram, 2GB video card, and 2.3TB of HD space.

Now I don’t know about you but I have no intention of downgrading my OS, or attempt to use CrossOver, or VMWare to run Windows on my Mac, and run Bryce in it, because I’ve already tried and all three attempts have failed utterly.

I’m sorry, Bryce deserves to be buried, because Daz has obviously put the final nail in the coffin by offering free software to a majority of people that can’t run it, just to piss them off so badly that they are forced to learn new software in return.

You want to piss off an OS base, offer them something that doesn’t work, and then ignore them for two OS revisions and tell them that there is no future opportunities of the upgrade or update of said software in the cards for quite some time.

Then revamp the website pushing the software forward as the latest and greatest thing out there, when it won’t work on a computer that has been released for almost three years time.

Yeah, it may work on your computer, but it won’t work on computers that came out in the past three years which sums up to be over 3 million users.

The real question though is how many of those 3 Million users use Bryce? I don’t really expect an answer but if you combined both PC and Mac users that actually use Bryce I doubt the total is 3 Million. Daz didn’t kill Bryce. If anything killed Bryce it’s the fact that once a capable person has Bryce they really don’t need to buy anything else and so it doesn’t generate much revenue. That’s at the core of why Bryce has been owned by several companies now, Daz being the latest.

Also I seriously doubt the entire Mac Base is pissed off about Bryce because the entire Base does not use Bryce or want to. Also I have seen various Mac users chime in, in various threads, saying they’re disappointed that Bryce doesn’t work but it’s no big deal and they’ll wait or just do without. It’s funny though when an individual of a group gets pissed off suddenly that individual seems to know what every person in the group is thinking even though they haven’t ever talked to or met 99.9% of that group.

Please, as a Moderator can I make the normal comment.  Please keep the conversation civil, and don’t let it degenerate into an platform war of any sort.

DAZ 3D has said that if it is possible to get Bryce working under the newer Mac OS Xs then they will do so, at some point in the future.

Now putting my other hat on

AS a long term and committed Bryce user can I say that Bryce is far from Dead, there are more than a few Bryce users in this forum that are determined to prove this point.

Bryce can and in fact does generate revenue on content.  This may not be Bryce specific content, but any imported content has to come from somewhere, and a vast amount that I see used in renders, and use myself in renders, has been bought in the DAZ 3D market place.

Bryce has a built in bridge, to enable this content to be moved into Bryce.

OK some of us do this in a different way as well, but DS does it in a easier way (I am told).

LordHardDriven - 29 November 2012 05:58 AM

The real question though is how many of those 3 Million users use Bryce? I don’t really expect an answer but if you combined both PC and Mac users that actually use Bryce I doubt the total is 3 Million. Daz didn’t kill Bryce. If anything killed Bryce it’s the fact that once a capable person has Bryce they really don’t need to buy anything else and so it doesn’t generate much revenue. That’s at the core of why Bryce has been owned by several companies now, Daz being the latest.

Also I seriously doubt the entire Mac Base is pissed off about Bryce because the entire Base does not use Bryce or want to. Also I have seen various Mac users chime in, in various threads, saying they’re disappointed that Bryce doesn’t work but it’s no big deal and they’ll wait or just do without. It’s funny though when an individual of a group gets pissed off suddenly that individual seems to know what every person in the group is thinking even though they haven’t ever talked to or met 99.9% of that group.

I’m talking about myself, I am also talking about the Mac users in the past few years that have bought new computers, that being said this is beyond a waiting game, two years plus waiting, that is well beyond norm for any software company unless you are talking about valve.

As for the rest, yes Bryce can create revenue, if you hold onto technology that is over 3 years old, which under the normal circumstances most tech people like myself don’t. Unless you own a tower, the average Mac has a shelf life of three to five years at most, and that in some cases is pushing it. So I don’t know about you but I am not brining out my old iMac to just use one piece of software.

TheSavage64 - 29 November 2012 01:54 AM

Like I’ve said before (on page 1 of this thread), I have a perfectly working Macbook, with a perfectly working copy of OSX 10.5.8 which runs a perfectly working copy of Bryce Pro 7… As well as EVERY other software I need.

I’ll also buy a new Mac eventually… but I’ll be keeping this one, (as I’ve kept every single Mac I’ve ever owned) even if just to run Bryce.

So Bryce isn’t going to die anytime soon.

You too can join in the fun by purchasing an older Mac on eBay (you can pick one up for less than £100) with OSX 10.5.8 already installed…
... Or you can continue to whinge.

I guess it depends on how much you like using Bryce.

I loved using Bryce, I made quite a bit off of it, and it helped launch my graphic design career, that being said I am not buying, or as I said before pulling out my old Mac to run one piece of software.

My entire system runs now as a 64 bit system, all my software has been updated to run as such, Bryce is the only piece of software that will not work on my year old iMac…

I don’t see why Daz has let it suffer this long, I’ll tell you right now, if any of the community is like me, they may not come back… because Bryce although user friendly, if we can’t depend on yearly releases to work with the latest OS or patched OS, then I don’t see a reason to stand behind Bryce any more…

Bryce may be a good piece of software three years ago, but unless you’ve noticed the Bryce Forum has become a who’s who of administrators, and old posters and new people pissed off about the software not working.

There are new users, but not as many as should be expected from a newly released (non working) version of Bryce should expect.

Sorry, Bryce right now is on life support, it may be time to pull the plug.  I’ve moved over to Blender only because its been fleshed out as of late, and actually works well, and is a great substitute for Bryce in many ways.