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Posted: 20 November 2012 03:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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This is good to know; thank you, Horo. But the document problem remains; I saw it when I changed from Windows to Mac… ohh  It was not possible to transfer any scene I created on my old PC.

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Posted: 20 November 2012 09:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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I’m one of those OS 10.7 people. I have never used Bryce but, I hope to someday because I hear it’s pretty cool. I use Cararra 8 Pro the most and really like it. Daz is a small company but, that’s something I like about it. I’ve called support for help and they’re really nice and friendly. I can support something like that and wait patiently for whatever updates they can produce to make Bryce work. Right now, for me, Bryce doesn’t even open. That’s okay. Everything else is pretty awesome as it is, imho.

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Posted: 20 November 2012 05:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Well, I’ve read several of these posts about the woes of using Mountain Lion w/Bryce, and I just gotta chime in (and after all, opinions are like a-holes…)

I am a “dyed in the wool” PC user. Though I worked for Apple for 5 years (1980 - ‘85), nowadays any time I sit in front of a Mac I want to tear my hair out. The things I take for granted on a PC are far more difficult on a Mac. Apple just tries too hard to be different than anyone else, and that has always caused problems. I have always respected Apple products - I think the Mac has always been a phenomenal piece of hardware - just never been fond of the Mac OS.

I’ve been writing software for a living (or at least part of my living) for a number of years now. I write for PCs. I don’t write Mac versions of my programs. Because I hate Macs? No at all! I’d love to have versions of my software that worked on Macs. But I don’t have the expertise to write programs for the Mac, and I can’t afford to hire someone who does.

What many Mac users don’t fully understand is, in the world of computer users, they are the vast minority! Yes, Apple has a slightly bigger market share in the graphics/publishing industry than they do in other areas, but it’s still very small compared to the PC market. I know it doesn’t seem fair, but money drives the market, and market share is what makes the money. I’m really not trying to be patronizing here, but many Mac users have sort of an attitude that they should be catered to, regardless of such temporal matters as profit and market share, just on the merits that the Mac is a great machine and Apple is a great company. These merits, though noble, don’t pay the bills when you’re selling software.

Bryce’s dev cycle didn’t coincide with Apple’s. I doubt if Apple called someone at DAZ to warn them about the timing of their dev cycle, or the changes they were planning. DAZ simply got blindsided - that happens.

Ya, it seems unfair, and somewhat ironic as Bryce was originally a Mac program. But reality is reality, and reality for any business is about the bottom line.

I take great encouragement from the fact that DAZ has, at least publicly, committed to making Bryce work w/Mountain Lion as soon as is practically possible. But none of us can wave a wand and make real issues go away, and unfortunately there are some issues that have to be addressed in order to make this happen.

Patience is a virtue…

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Posted: 20 November 2012 06:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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cjreynolds - 20 November 2012 05:31 PM

I take great encouragement from the fact that DAZ has, at least publicly, committed to making Bryce work w/Mountain Lion as soon as is practically possible.

Trouble is, Mountain Lion “as soon as is practically possible” may be for nought. Apple is already looking to move away from the Intel platform and develop its own Arm based CPU solution, in which case it’ll be deja vu all over again.

Even if we get through the next five years without economic armageddon and major war (I’m not being entirely frivolous, I’m afraid), our Bryce world will change dramatically. The era of cheap creative workstations subsidised by mass desktop computer use is rapidly coming to an end. Now that granny and the grandkids can compute all they need with something half the size of a laptop screen (or less), machines that do Bryce are going to get expensive. Even the Poser / Studio business model could evaporate.

Still, a touch version of Vickie might prove popular. :mrgreen:

 

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Posted: 20 November 2012 06:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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_ PJF _ - 20 November 2012 06:03 PM
cjreynolds - 20 November 2012 05:31 PM

I take great encouragement from the fact that DAZ has, at least publicly, committed to making Bryce work w/Mountain Lion as soon as is practically possible.

Trouble is, Mountain Lion “as soon as is practically possible” may be for nought. Apple is already looking to move away from the Intel platform and develop its own Arm based CPU solution, in which case it’ll be deja vu all over again.

No joke??!! I hadn’t heard that.

Just when I thought Apple was gonna do something normal. They must have realized that everyone else uses Intel, so they couldn’t possibly stay with it… smile

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Posted: 20 November 2012 06:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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I’m sure they aren’t doing it just to be different.
As usual, they will be doing it to be better.

And if it works out, I’m sure other manufacturers will follow as they have always tried to.

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Posted: 20 November 2012 06:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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TheSavage64 - 20 November 2012 06:23 PM

I’m sure they aren’t doing it just to be different.
As usual, they will be doing it to be better.

And if it works out, I’m sure other manufacturers will follow as they have always tried to.

Gotta love Apple fans! (I was once one myself) Apple does some really cool stuff, I’ll admit, but playing hopscotch with processor families sounds insane!

Are they planning to make all Apple software obsolete every year or so?? That’s what would happen if they kept changing their processor platform with every OS update. Doesn’t sound like a great business model to me…

But then, Apple has a habit of making phenomenally bad decisions and ending up smellin like a rose.

Not tryin to pull this into a “my dog’s better than yours” contest - I just love ribbin’ Apple fans smile

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Posted: 20 November 2012 07:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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cjreynolds - 20 November 2012 06:17 PM

No joke??!! I hadn’t heard that.

http://www.sfgate.com/technology/article/Apple-may-drop-Intel-chips-from-Macs-4013908.php

It’s not something that’ll happen next year, but it’s perhaps significant that the guy in the jumpsuit has just announced that he will be retiring next year (three years early).

The mobile market is eating the desktop’s lunch; X86 is in real trouble. It makes perfect sense for Apple to look to subsidise its specialist creative niche products with the economies of scale afforded by its mass mobile market success. It’s not about being “better”, it’s about being commercially viable. Trouble for Apple is, Android is eating its lunch.

Interesting times…

 

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Posted: 20 November 2012 08:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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cjreynolds - 20 November 2012 06:46 PM

Not tryin to pull this into a “my dog’s better than yours” contest - I just love ribbin’ Apple fans smile

You only think you’re “ribbing” us… please do continue in that delusion.

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Posted: 20 November 2012 11:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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TheSavage64 - 20 November 2012 08:46 PM
cjreynolds - 20 November 2012 06:46 PM

Not tryin to pull this into a “my dog’s better than yours” contest - I just love ribbin’ Apple fans smile

You only think you’re “ribbing” us… please do continue in that delusion.

Hehehe - Just livin’ the illusion smile

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Posted: 21 November 2012 02:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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cjreynolds - 20 November 2012 05:31 PM

Yes, Apple has a slightly bigger market share in the graphics/publishing industry than they do in other areas, but it’s still very small compared to the PC market.

cjreynolds, maybe you noticed that Bryce is for the graphics/publishing industry too. It is not a toy app.

In the DAZ shop there are so many interesting products for Bryce I don’t buy (like Horo’s and David Brinnen’s great stuff, or Estevez’ beautiful Tropical Environment) because I don’t know if I can ever use them. I like DAZ and agree with laynemoore’s opinion about this company, but this Bryce delay is… not nice. Maybe one should call on Kai Krause. As far as I know he’s living not too far away from my place wink For those who may mistake this >wink<:  it was meant as a joke…).

For the Mac/PC-discussion: Please, please, show some mercy and don’t start all over again with this boring and useless talk. After all, meanwhile Microsoft and Apple stole so many ideas from each other that for the common user their OSs are not so different any more. But dont’ tell them we know…

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Posted: 21 November 2012 04:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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What? No discussion??? But….

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Posted: 21 November 2012 03:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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polka dot - 21 November 2012 02:11 AM

For the Mac/PC-discussion: Please, please, show some mercy and don’t start all over again with this boring and useless talk. After all, meanwhile Microsoft and Apple stole so many ideas from each other that for the common user their OSs are not so different any more. But dont’ tell them we know…

I totally agree there - I’ve known lots of people who are absolutely at home on a Mac, and would pull their hair out if they had to use a PC - I used to be one of them smile

Apple being my first computer job, and having the good fortune of being part of all that was Apple in the beginning, I do have a soft spot in my heart for Apple users - wouldn’t hassle ‘em if it wasn’t so much fun, LOL!

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Posted: 21 November 2012 04:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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I got a Mac because of Logic. It is rather fantastic when it comes to making music. But three months ago I updated Lion and ALL my presets in all the plug ins for Logic were just gone.

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Posted: 22 November 2012 06:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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You can’t run Bryce 7.1 on Lion/Mountain Lion.
But Apple Store sells Snow Leopard again, so you may run Bryce 7.1 on Snow Leopard using Parallels or VMware Fusion.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC573/mac-os-x-106-snow-leopard

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