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vi·o·lence/ˈvī(ə)ləns/
Noun:    Behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

Firstly:  “violence” is an act.  If there were a render of someone BEING cut up, that would be violence.  What is being posted here, so far is not “violence” as the cause of dismemberment could have been anything.  I worked with Medical Schools for a period of time and saw Student Doctors dismember cadavers all of the time.  There was no “violence” there.

Secondly:  Since we have now determined that the product and renders of the “parts” are not “violence” then there is no violation of the TOS.

In the other thread, the first promo is on the line, and violence is implied but not in progress.

Kendall

the “parts” are result of an act of violence already executed.
I think we are leading to the stage of “beating a dead horse” the question is so simple:

NO NUDE ALLOWED…but GORE IS OK?
answer

YES
NO.

good night fellas, goin to see some porn.

And I’m sick and tired of those little flaps on coffee lids. If you don’t want to spill your coffee, you shouldn’t be driving with it.

...Yeah! Yeah!

Maybe it is another case of UPS mishandling medical supplies   The guy IS dressed in brown, and he IS holding what is obviously a poor quality Katana replica wall hanger from an Online Shopping Channel.  Going by his Waza he obviously couldn’t have been responsible for that carnage (I teach Kenjutsu, believe me, that’s a terrible stance).  So maybe he’s picking up the mess from another dropped set of packages. 

Kendall

Kendall Sears - 17 November 2012 12:26 AM

vi·o·lence/ˈvī(ə)ləns/
Noun:    Behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.

Firstly:  “violence” is an act.  If there were a render of someone BEING cut up, that would be violence.  What is being posted here, so far is not “violence” as the cause of dismemberment could have been anything.  I worked with Medical Schools for a period of time and saw Student Doctors dismember cadavers all of the time.  There was no “violence” there.

Secondly:  Since we have now determined that the product and renders of the “parts” are not “violence” then there is no violation of the TOS.

In the other thread, the first promo is on the line, and violence is implied but not in progress.

Kendall

Only the depths and depravity of the human mind can turn a perfectly normal and beautiful human body and turn it into into pornography and we pass it on to the next generation who pass it on to the next and we are just too stupid to realize it. It’s time to wake up and clean out that brain LOL !

Semantics Kendall.

I assume you subscribe to the “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” school of thought so loved by Bill Clinton as well.

The Severed man’s graphics clearly show violence done by individuals against others, whether that be actual, fantasy or implied. And the cover shot of what I assume to be a samurai holding a severed head in one hand and a sword in the other is quite graphic.

If the first promo picture was a warning that this item shows violent content, then everyone would be happy including those who view at work and around children.

If not we may as well throw the family site label out of the window and show everything in the same way Rendererotica does.

Sprinkles

zilvergrafix - 17 November 2012 12:35 AM

the “parts” are result of an act of violence already executed.
I think we are leading to the stage of “beating a dead horse” the question is so simple:

NO NUDE ALLOWED…but GORE IS OK?
answer

YES
NO.

good night fellas, goin to see some porn.

Answer NO and NO. But a limited exception has been made for RawArt’s thread.

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As a note: while violence may strictly apply only to action, the TOS is intended to cover and will be applied to the graphic portrayal of wounds and blood - we removed an image from one of the render challenge threads recently for that reason.

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While I’m posting, can we please drop the “in the US” element - the double-standard on violence and sex applies in many parts of the world and may well be universal: perhaps because most people have no desire to take part in actual violence and so feel safer with the fictional kind.

I think we should dismember all the freaks who like gore, and all women should be forced to walk around nude… win-win!

Sarcasm, yet another service I provide free of charge

I am a woman of a certain age and I am quite sure that you wouldn’t wish to see either myself or my friends walking around in the nude LMAO

As defined by the English Oxford University Dictionary....  I am posting this to clarity that violence is not just a physical act, it is also a feeling or emotion.

Violence Pronunciation: /ˈvʌɪəl(ə)ns/

Definition of violence
noun   [mass noun]

1 Behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something:
violence erupted in protest marches
domestic violence against women
the fear of physical violence
screen violence

Law the unlawful exercise of physical force or intimidation by the exhibition of such force.

2 Strength of emotion or of a destructive natural force:
the violence of her own feelings
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I am not thrilled with the Front page image myself.  I would prefer one a bit more tame,  The segmented body seems to be more explanatory when it comes to the product.

I have a young son that I would prefer not to be slapped in the face with this image.  As for copses in Medical dissection,,,  as a medical professional who worked on bodies, I assure you any professor stresses the dignity of the human body.  They are not, “hacked to bits for pleasure”

In my opinion, it was a poor choice of a cover image.  Hopefully some people at the top will have heard our voices.

***No disrespect to the product or PA.  I am just expressing a personal opinion.

Cheers!

Sprinkles - 17 November 2012 06:45 AM

I am a woman of a certain age and I am quite sure that you wouldn’t wish to see either myself or my friends walking around in the nude LMAO

Yes that’s the point, I was trying to get people to think big picture…

Why do these things have allure? Because they are safely kept at a distance from us—we can observe without any chance of being confronted by having it perpetrated upon us.

Take for instance Gore—how do you think a farm/factory worker or military person (to name a few) who lose limbs/extremities violently, feel about glamorized gore?

Likewise take nudity—how do you think you would feel if you were confronted by your naked grandmother, mother and sister all the time?

In both cases it is pretty clear they lose their allure of “otherness” quickly.

BTW women have little need for such a lesson because they generally have more sense, and also are not as visually driven sexually.

For those of extreme fetish type—Next time you find something oddly appealing imagine it being perpetrated on you against you will (this takes empathy I know) and I bet you will not find it so attractive. There are always individuals who are psychological outliers, but hopefully natural/social selection deals with this quickly.

I’d rather not see my grandfather walking around nude.

But then, my grandfather has been dead for more than 40 years ...

Which ... I guess ... would make him a zombie if he were walking around nude.

Half Life - 17 November 2012 07:32 AM

Sprinkles - 17 November 2012 06:45 AM

I am a woman of a certain age and I am quite sure that you wouldn’t wish to see either myself or my friends walking around in the nude LMAO

Yes that’s the point, I was trying to get people to think big picture…

Why do these things have allure? Because they are safely kept at a distance from us—we can observe without any chance of being confronted by having it perpetrated upon us.

Take for instance Gore—how do you think a farm/factory worker or military person (to name a few) who lose limbs/extremities violently, feel about glamorized gore?

Likewise take nudity—how do you think you would feel if you were confronted by your naked grandmother, mother and sister all the time?

In both cases it is pretty clear they lose their allure of “otherness” quickly.

BTW women have little need for such a lesson because they generally have more sense, and also are not as visually driven sexually.

For those of extreme fetish type—Next time you find something oddly appealing imagine it being perpetrated on you against you will (this takes empathy I know) and I bet you will not find it so attractive. There are always individuals who are psychological outliers, but hopefully natural/social selection deals with this quickly.

Misty Whisky - 16 November 2012 02:56 PM

i find it upsetting that it’s a white guy chopped up.  makes it so clearly not fantasy violence, like zombie apocalypse

Why ‘a white guy’? Would it be any better if the person was black or brown?

Though I like RAW Art’s models and own some of them I too take offense in this chopped up person. Why doesn’t DAZ follow Renderosity’s good example and have a content advisory on every picture which could cause offense? General content filters are not neccessary.

DAZ, as any internet company, is operating worldwide. Therefore not only the US, for many other nations sometimes really bizarre standards should be respected.

Richard Haseltine - 17 November 2012 06:10 AM

zilvergrafix - 17 November 2012 12:35 AM

the “parts” are result of an act of violence already executed.
I think we are leading to the stage of “beating a dead horse” the question is so simple:

NO NUDE ALLOWED…but GORE IS OK?
answer

YES
NO.

good night fellas, goin to see some porn.

Answer NO and NO. But a limited exception has been made for RawArt’s thread . . .

And its great that RawArt’s changed his sigline graphic so gory severed limbs aren’t scattered through a bunch of other threads (thanks RawArt!).  But currently everybody still has to browse by his violently and bloodily TOS-violating promo pic every time they visit the store.  There’s already a couple of non-violating (or at least less-violating) promo pics up for this (like the one I’ve posted below) that could be swapped into the main-promo slot from home in a couple minutes by somebody with the access, which we know some DAZzlers have.  So why hasn’t this been done already?

Satira Capriccio - 17 November 2012 08:02 AM

Which ... I guess ... would make him a zombie if he were walking around nude.

Which brings up the ever-popular subject of Zombie Porn!  (They’re quite good at it, surprisingly.  Granted, the zomgals tend to just lie there like they’re dead, but that doesn’t matter to the Zomguys because… wait for it… they’re always a little stiff.)