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Posted: 16 November 2012 05:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]
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MrPoser - 16 November 2012 04:55 PM

These severed promo pics seem very tame looking to me….. just showing a cool new product .... which is the purpose. You would really have to have a sheltered life to be offended by these pics (Of course I have all five of the Final Destination DVDs) I would also like to have nude promo pics for male and female characters so you can actually see the full product you are buying…. maybe with some thumbnail warning like other stores.

Huh? Sheltered? some issues with that mentality but lets move to the common ground.

You would like to see the nudes for character products, and mention having a warning in place. That’s all that is needed with the gore as well.

I think NGM is a cool product and had some cool promo images to show it off, but they were on deviantart… Not in the daz store. Would have been nice if they were but apparently boobs are far more offensive then beheadings.

I never saw any of the alternative shots for severed cause I never went to the product page, so it has nothing to do with them. You say they were tame but I won’t ever know smile

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Posted: 16 November 2012 05:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]
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Ledhead - 16 November 2012 04:46 PM

DAZ being based in the US has nothing to do with showing nudity. It is by their own choice and right.

The fact that gore is given a bit more leeway than nudity has everything to do with DAZ being in the US, as it reflects the attitude of the general public here. Pretending that it’s not related just so you can blame DAZ is flat out silly. If the company was based in Brazil and run by Brazilians, I’m sure the policies would be different.

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Posted: 16 November 2012 05:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]
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OK…Is there anything that can be said at this point that would soothe tensions?

This is a topic, that as a group, we will never be able to reach an agreement. I can honestly see everyone’s point of view. No one likes to unexpectedly be surprised with things that make them uncomfortable. This is an “art” store though, and to some extent, we should expect there to be many diverse and controversial options available to artists.

Yes, I agree, there should be filters in place. However, that hasn’t been fixed in the forms yet, and at least the Daz3D team have tried to let us know the situation and have tried to contain it within one thread. I, for one, vote for more freedom on the forums if there is a poll….

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Posted: 16 November 2012 05:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]
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There is absolutely nothing tame looking about the promo image for severed man and I’m surprised nobody at Daz had the sense to realise that before it was put up.When I clicked on new releases this morning I did not plan on being confronted with that sort of imagery.

In regards to handling mature content I think all you need is a warning image that is switched around when you log in and click on the thumbnail kind of like a combination of the the approach used by Deviantart and Renderosity.

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Posted: 16 November 2012 05:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 50 ]
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JasmineSkunk - 16 November 2012 05:52 PM

O However, that hasn’t been fixed in the forms yet, and at least the Daz3D team have tried to let us know the situation and have tried to contain it within one thread.

Except its in the store and also in the vendors footer on any post he makes including this one. smile

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Posted: 16 November 2012 05:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 51 ]
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Ledhead - 16 November 2012 04:46 PM

DAZ being based in the US has nothing to do with showing nudity. It is by their own choice and right.

The fact that gore is given a bit more leeway than nudity has everything to do with DAZ being in the US, as it reflects the attitude of the general public here. Pretending that it’s not related just so you can blame DAZ is flat out silly. If the company was based in Brazil and run by Brazilians, I’m sure the policies would be different.

Isn’t Renderosity based in Tennessee? They show quite a bit of nudity on that site. Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, Freedom of Speech. I believe all of them are part of the USA. There are many nude channels on cable tv that show explicit sex. I’m not sure what you are getting at.

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Posted: 16 November 2012 06:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 52 ]
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Ledhead - 16 November 2012 04:46 PM

DAZ being based in the US has nothing to do with showing nudity. It is by their own choice and right.

The fact that gore is given a bit more leeway than nudity has everything to do with DAZ being in the US, as it reflects the attitude of the general public here. Pretending that it’s not related just so you can blame DAZ is flat out silly. If the company was based in Brazil and run by Brazilians, I’m sure the policies would be different.

Isn’t Renderosity based in Tennessee? They show quite a bit of nudity on that site. Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, Freedom of Speech. I believe all of them are part of the USA. There are many nude channels on cable tv that show explicit sex. I’m not sure what you are getting at.

And DAZ is in Utah…which, if not, Prude Central, is very darn close to it.

At least they aren’t in Australia.

Freedom of Speech doesn’t really apply, as the site is privately owned, so they can make their own rules.

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Posted: 16 November 2012 06:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 53 ]
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I never would have thought, that the presentation of nudity and brutality in art would be explained with political circumstances ...
But anyway, although I’m used to look on brutal scenes in e.g. baroque and medieval paintings, whenever I have to explain them in museums, and although I like action movies, I don’t like this kind of explicit brutality - and you won’t find me looking to pictures or movies like these free willingly, if I can avoid it.

But a company like Daz, who had it on their flags so many years, that their forums and shop (!) are open to any kind of users of every age and origin should show some responsibility therefore !!
If not by filters, then by some kind of warning in the title or under the presentation in the product - and naturally by not showing the most disturbing scene in the main promo !

And, please, especially on your Facebook page, where you have many more youths, who are visiting, you shouldn’t be too light-hearted as well !

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Posted: 16 November 2012 06:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 54 ]
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I think this would have been a much better choice for main promo.  The other’s an excellent example of what can be done with the product, but not the sort of thing I need put on my screen without warning.

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Posted: 16 November 2012 06:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 55 ]
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JasmineSkunk - 16 November 2012 05:52 PM

O However, that hasn’t been fixed in the forms yet, and at least the Daz3D team have tried to let us know the situation and have tried to contain it within one thread.

Except its in the store and also in the vendors footer on any post he makes including this one. smile

Don’t know about sigline footers, however new promo pics are time-consuming to make and approve.  But I think this one shows off what the product can do without being any more bloody than necessary, and would make an excellent first promo pic (it’s currently fourth).  What do you guys think?

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Posted: 16 November 2012 06:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 56 ]
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Ledhead - 16 November 2012 04:46 PM

DAZ being based in the US has nothing to do with showing nudity. It is by their own choice and right.

The fact that gore is given a bit more leeway than nudity has everything to do with DAZ being in the US, as it reflects the attitude of the general public here. Pretending that it’s not related just so you can blame DAZ is flat out silly. If the company was based in Brazil and run by Brazilians, I’m sure the policies would be different.

Isn’t Renderosity based in Tennessee? They show quite a bit of nudity on that site. Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, Freedom of Speech. I believe all of them are part of the USA. There are many nude channels on cable tv that show explicit sex. I’m not sure what you are getting at.

And DAZ is in Utah…which, if not, Prude Central, is very darn close to it.

At least they aren’t in Australia.

Freedom of Speech doesn’t really apply, as the site is privately owned, so they can make their own rules.

That is what I was saying. It has nothing to do with DAZ being in the US. It is by their choice. I am moving on as I do not want to get into a debate.

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Posted: 16 November 2012 06:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 57 ]
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Ghostpanther - 16 November 2012 06:02 PM

I never would have thought, that the presentation of nudity and brutality in art would be explained with political circumstances ...

There’s a term for it…and it begins with PC…Political Correctness…it’s what you get when you let lawyers and politicians do your thinking.

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Posted: 16 November 2012 06:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 58 ]
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SnowSultan - 16 November 2012 03:43 PM

I think some of the other promo images for that product would be more appropriate for the main image (and certainly for a banner in the forums) than the one with the samurai, even I’m a little put off by that image. I can’t blindly agree with Rawn and MM on this issue; that picture should be the last of the promo images so that only those who are interested in the product would see it.

Completely agree with you. I don’t expect this kind of images in this store. I’m a big horror fan but I don’t want to have stuff like that pop into my face when I look at new releases. That’s no critique of the product but of the way it’s promoted and putting that banner in the sig is not that cool either.

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Posted: 16 November 2012 06:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 59 ]
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the main idea of this is give me a right to choose view explicit content or not, is that simple!,

I know many customers love gore, if you are happy with that, good for you, just let me the right to not view that!

just apply common sense, a nipple/areola never will be more grotesque than a mutilated limb.

Some user said that, agreed, pain, suffer, have a kink of sexuality, but the BASICS of sexuality is a naked body, not a ripped limb, only if you are a Mantis prayer, but that is not the case, and thus, they’re another sexuality ways…that should be allowed too?, coprophagy?, necrophilia?, zoophilia?, pedophilia?, Oh sure we can bet such ramifications of human perversity will be more acceptable than a pair of boobs?, and I’m just talking just boobs, I can’t even imagine rendering genitals…

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Posted: 16 November 2012 06:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 60 ]
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I was quite surprised and disturbed when I first seen the main and quite gory promo for the Severed Man. As art work it was fantastically done and I could quite clearly picture using the product for creating several scenes. However, having said that it should not be shown as the first main promo for the product nor in RawArt’s banner which will be seen all over these forums. While I appreciate the art that doesn’t mean that I want to be confronted by it every time I visit the new releases page of the store or read threads in these forums.

Daz need to be consistent with its polices in these matters and right now it’s not. If exceptions are going to be made for one vendor then monitoring of that exception should be done very closely. I would have preferred that the image currently being used for the main promo have been used as the last one with a warning so that I could choose whether or not I wanted to see it. I don’t have issues with breasts (or other body parts) being shown on promos here in the store if Daz was to do something along the lines of Renderosity or to go back to being able to view those images in an Art zone type gallery.

Just my two cents worth.

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