No Nude allowed...but Gore is OK??

ZilvergrafixZilvergrafix Posts: 423
edited November 2012 in The Commons

Sincerely I can't understand this, we cannot show simply art with a few bits skin colored in sensible areas, right?, but we can post Gore images of people being ripped in parts!!???

My logic are not compatible with yours, yes, it's a rant, do whatever with this post, delete, comment or unapprove, I'm only demanding an explanation of this, that's all.

sorry for my grammar but English is not my native language, yo solo hablo español y hasta eso, mal.

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  • Cybersox13Cybersox13 Posts: 3,121
    edited December 1969

    Sincerely I can't understand this, we cannot show simply art with a few bits skin colored in sensible areas, right?, but we can post Gore images of people being ripped in parts!!???.

    Yep. Daz is based in the U.S., where toy stores can sell video games that allow the player to beat up prostitutes, run over pedestrians and mindlessly mow down hundreds of people with guns, but the idea of seeing naked breasts is somehow considered far more offensive. It makes little sense on a site that's theoretically devoted to the creation of art, but that's how it is. (And yet, ironically, almost all X-rated digital comics are built around Daz assets anyway. Go figure.)

  • MadisonXFMadisonXF Posts: 201
    edited December 1969

    Sincerely I can't understand this, we cannot show simply art with a few bits skin colored in sensible areas, right?, but we can post Gore images of people being ripped in parts!!???

    My logic are not compatible with yours, yes, it's a rant, do whatever with this post, delete, comment or unapprove, I'm only demanding an explanation of this, that's all.

    sorry for my grammar but English is not my native language, yo solo hablo español y hasta eso, mal.

    Agreed.

    Very silly, IMHO, but also very common in many cultures around the world. I can understand not wanting hardcore sex images, but allowing really hardcore violent images like that one, but not something as simple as a nude render showing a full texture MAT...really a weird attitude.

    Just my opinion.

  • swordkensiaswordkensia Posts: 237
    edited December 1969

    I have to agree with you here..

    It certainly is a messed up world, death and mutilation okay..appreciation of the naked form bad.!!!..????

    Not to diss Rawarts excellent new product, which I shall surely be purchasing by the way, Just wondering at the Moral values behind certain TOS.

    SK.

  • ZilvergrafixZilvergrafix Posts: 423
    edited December 1969

    yep, Rawart, my respects, a true 3D artist, this post is not against your product, but the way of how this website can allow this and can't allow that.
    thanks for your opinions people, at least I don't feel alone. =)

  • JaguarEllaJaguarElla Posts: 10,639
    edited December 1969

    same on YouTube
    I got threatened with account termination for a virtual nipslip but have shooting with an AK-47 and M4 spilling his disembowled guts and no issues.

  • JaguarEllaJaguarElla Posts: 10,639
    edited December 1969

    so I bought severed man too as I can use him in my videos.

  • ssgbryanssgbryan Posts: 699
    edited December 1969

    This is the United States.

    We have no issues with violence - just sex.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 19,901
    edited December 1969

    As noted in my post to the Severed man thread, we are allowing a limited exception to the rule on violence in that thread for that product. However, in the absence of content filters we will remove both graphic nudity and graphic violence (as long as we notice them).

  • ZilvergrafixZilvergrafix Posts: 423
    edited December 1969

    "image removed" , so, there you go...maybe my big morphed areolas CREATED with a Daz Product "NGM for Genesis Female" was very offensive. :ahhh:

  • Mr LeongMr Leong Posts: 302
    edited December 1969

    Daz is a private company and is allowed to dictate their own terms.

    Some places that are open to nudity would probably reject the gore.

  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 3,310
    edited November 2012

    my thing is the product image could be toned down so when I go through the store browsing I dont have to look at the picture of the guy who was suffering with his limbs and head cut off.

    That's all I ask, just change the dang product image. I don't agree that violence should be more acceptable than nudity, especially dismemberment and torture. But thats just how US biz rolls.

    You make a bond movie with a sex scene these days everyone is all awkward and upset. But when he's killing everyone its all good. Drives me nuts cause the old bond was good with the ladies and could kick ass. Now all he is allowed to do is kill stuff. What an unbalanced life.

    And we all know hollywood sex scenes are really mild compared to adult entertainment for good reason, so I'm not saying we need porn in the theatre...

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  • RawArtRawArt Posts: 2,671
    edited December 1969

    "Oh daz is so prudish, then dont allow us to show any pictures blah blah blah..."

    Then when daz finally agrees to try to be a little flexible about things, they get bashed because it isnt the type of loosening up that this or that person wants.
    Dont you think it would be much more beneficial in the task to get things to lighten up here if you were actually thankful for when they start to try to make some effort??

    If all they get is complaints everytime they try to lighten things up..then they really wont be very responsive to doing it anymore.

    This thread is totally backwards.

  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 2,013
    edited December 1969

    RawArt said:
    "If all they get is complaints everytime they try to lighten things up..then they really wont be very responsive to doing it anymore.


    ^That.

    This thread is totally backwards

    This is missing a word. ;)

  • MistyMistMistyMist Posts: 15,546
    edited December 1969

    i find it upsetting that it's a white guy chopped up. makes it so clearly not fantasy violence, like zombie apocalypse

  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 3,310
    edited December 1969

    Not really backwards. If you are going to open the doors do it right. A violence filter should have been added a long time ago.

    Don't get mad at people for speaking, seems a common problem these days.

    I personally don't want to stumble on those kind of images on product listing pages. So I'm wrong for saying that?

  • ZilvergrafixZilvergrafix Posts: 423
    edited December 1969

    Money rules above law, that's the ecuation here.
    nonsense is looking for unrestricted images in facebook for NGM4Gen and not doing the same with Gore.

  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 3,310
    edited December 1969

    i find it upsetting that it's a white guy chopped up. makes it so clearly not fantasy violence, like zombie apocalypse

    Yeah I thought that too, if it was a zombie it might have been better, and the guys expression doesn't really help any.

  • AkhbourAkhbour Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    RawArt said:
    "If all they get is complaints everytime they try to lighten things up..then they really wont be very responsive to doing it anymore.


    ^That.

    This thread is totally backwards

    This is missing a word. ;)

    Yes!

  • RawArtRawArt Posts: 2,671
    edited December 1969

    well now you are just criticizing my art....that is totally beyond the point.

    not that I have to justify my choices...but the texture on the dead guy is my corpse texture from the "Good as dead" set.

  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 3,310
    edited December 1969

    It's a lot less about the vendor then it is about daz. So Rawart you shouldn't be taking anything personally. And if I were to critique your art, that would wholly be within scope.

    The point is, the point that is being missed, ..


    Wait, wait. Screw that so now your posting your severed art in your footer so you can bring it everywhere you go. I thought richard said the gore was staying in your thread? *sigh* I don't get it really.

  • ZilvergrafixZilvergrafix Posts: 423
    edited December 1969

    RawArt said:
    well now you are just criticizing my art....that is totally beyond the point.
    not that I have to justify my choices...but the texture on the dead guy is my corpse texture from the "Good as dead" set.

    NO! your art is OK!, really, that's WHY we are speaking about that, because of the graphical violence!, if you art were bad would be just passed away.

    because you did a splendid and magnificent work of the Gore concept, capisce?

  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 2,013
    edited November 2012

    Not really backwards. If you are going to open the doors do it right. A violence filter should have been added a long time ago.

    Don't get mad at people for speaking, seems a common problem these days.

    I personally don't want to stumble on those kind of images on product listing pages. So I'm wrong for saying that?

    Here's what I see as a difference: 1) This is to demonstrate a product in the store as an exception because there was a necessity to show how the product works (since it's a bit more detailed than just some breast shots), not anyone's personal work that could be posted anywhere. And 2) there was permission from DAZ to do this in this way. To tie it in with someone wanting to post their personal stuff really doesn't compare.

    Now if it was just a grey textureless object, I'd bet people would complain that they don't know if it's worth the price because they can't see the use for it... then people would be asking for renders of the product and then complain because they couldn't be shown in the forum.

    Hopefully they can get the filters working in the forum again, but until then this discussion really isn't going to go anywhere other than complaining.

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  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 3,310
    edited December 1969

    Anyway back to my point, Daz should have put the gore filter in, along with the nudity filter in a long time ago. And if they wanted to have a gorey product in the store, they should have had the sense to make the product image tamer so those of us who did not request to see it don't have to.

    now I have to see the product image anytime I shop since it will be in new releases and at the top of many searches that are sorted by release date.

  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 3,310
    edited December 1969

    Not really backwards. If you are going to open the doors do it right. A violence filter should have been added a long time ago.

    Don't get mad at people for speaking, seems a common problem these days.

    I personally don't want to stumble on those kind of images on product listing pages. So I'm wrong for saying that?

    Here's what I see as a difference: 1) This is to demonstrate a product in the store as an exception because there was a necessity to show how the product works (since it's a bit more detailed and just some breast shots), not anyone's personal work that could be posted anywhere. And 2) there was permission from DAZ to do this in this way. To tie it in with someone wanting to post their personal stuff really doesn't compare.

    Now if it was just a grey textureless object, I'd bet people would complain that they don't know if it's worth the price because they can see the use for it... then people would be asking for renders of the product and then complain because they couldn't be shown in the forum.

    Hopefully they can get the filters working in the forum again, but until then this discussion really isn't going to go anywhere other than complaining.

    You dont need to show me how the product works on the index page. And i never said anyting about personal stuff, i really don't care about that. I've never used these forums for that purpose. I'm talking about the store here. There is nothing wrong with doing what places like renderosity or even RDNA do. If you want to see the mature content you have to actually select the image.

  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 2,013
    edited November 2012


    You dont need to show me how the product works on the index page. And i never said anyting about personal stuff, i really don't care about that. I've never used these forums for that purpose. I'm talking about the store here. There is nothing wrong with doing what places like renderosity or even RDNA do. If you want to see the mature content you have to actually select the image.

    RDNA has buttcheeks and nudes as part of their webpage going into the store... it's also in their forums as well. Rendo skirts their nudity right at the line. Even if the product is on the index page, you still gotta squint to see the thumbnail... unlike how you'll get immediately hit on the other sites.

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  • ZilvergrafixZilvergrafix Posts: 423
    edited December 1969


    You dont need to show me how the product works on the index page. And i never said anyting about personal stuff, i really don't care about that. I've never used these forums for that purpose. I'm talking about the store here. There is nothing wrong with doing what places like renderosity or even RDNA do. If you want to see the mature content you have to actually select the image.

    exactly!, that's the real point here!!, not the product, but the way how is exposed.

  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 3,310
    edited November 2012

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    RDNA has buttcheeks and nudes as part of their webpage going into the store... it's also in their forums as well. Rendo skirts their nudity right at the line. Even if the product is on the index page, you still gotta squint to see the thumbnail... unlike how you'll get immediately hit on the other sites.

    I think I must have missed that at RDNA, haven't been in months but I remember when I was buying a few products I had to click on thumbs to see the nudes.

    Same with Renderosity, they aren't all that consistent (but moderation never is anywhere) but I know that I see an effort.

    There was no effort in this case on Daz's part. And no I don't have to squint to see it, thumbnails are rather large. And I know I'm not *strange* or *backward*, I just happen to have an opinion is all.

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  • anikadanikad Posts: 1,860
    edited December 1969

    I've got to say I find the Gore disturbing and it would be nice if there was a filter, now I see it's in a signature so I can't avoid it. Joy.

  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 3,310
    edited November 2012

    anikad said:
    I've got to say I find the Gore disturbing and it would be nice if there was a filter, now I see it's in a signature so I can't avoid it. Joy.

    It's a very passive aggressive way to go about it. Throw it in your face. I understand advertising and all but not everyone is the target audience ( or wants to see dismemberment).

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  • Mr LeongMr Leong Posts: 302
    edited December 1969

    Here's what I see as a difference: 1) This is to demonstrate a product in the store as an exception because there was a necessity to show how the product works (since it's a bit more detailed than just some breast shots), not anyone's personal work that could be posted anywhere. And 2) there was permission from DAZ to do this in this way. To tie it in with someone wanting to post their personal stuff really doesn't compare.

    Hopefully they can get the filters working in the forum again, but until then this discussion really isn't going to go anywhere other than complaining.

    I like nudity. I like gore. So I'm looking at this from a neutral point of view.

    This is just an observation. NGM for Genesis Female came out recently. It was a product in the store, but the PA gave links to other sites to show the unrestricted images. The dA page had over a thousand views in 24 hrs. :cheese:

    I'm guessing the anti-gore group would want something similar with the gory images as links rather than actually displaying it here.
    Or at the very least, a compromise, and have the main image as one of the secondary images where, in order for someone to see it, they would have to intentionally go to the product page.

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