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Posted: 28 November 2012 09:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 61 ]
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Thanks for that, I’ll take a look at Slackware next then, plus it has a sexy name :-P

I don’t mind if Bryce’s interface runs slow, I’m used to choppy performance ever since I downgraded from Vista to Windows 7.  What I’ve been doing is reusing a disk partition to try out various distributions of Linux so that I can continue to use Windows until I settle on one.  Tried Debian, tried Ubuntu, and there was one super-lean version I can’t even remember the name of right now.

You’re right about the dongle, and it’s a pain in the arse.  Unfortunately I had no choice if I wanted this software, and truth is I wanted it real bad.  It takes a whole heap of space, like a week to install, and cost me an absolute fortune - so there’s an indicator of just how bad I wanted it.  To be honest though, it doesn’t really matter to me whether I get it running on Linux.  I kept my beloved XP machine and I intend to dedicate that as a sort of sound module, something that runs all my VST’s and nothing else.

However, if I decide that Bryce doesn’t run good enough on Linux, I’m prepared to allow it on the XP machine, too.  The very idea of not having Bryce sends chills down my spine, so I suppose she gets the special treatment.

So would running a VM on Linux allow me to run Windows programs any better than WINE, or is that technically the same thing?  Running Windows inside of a Linux Window sounds cool, but does that also go as far as drivers are concerned?  Thing is, the dongle I use has a driver for Mac and Windows, and that’s the only thing stopping me using it on Linux.  But if running Windows inside of a window in Linux works as good as people say it does, will that goodness apply to drivers as well?

In other words, will Windows running inside of Linux use the Windows drivers, or will it still connect the dongle to USB using the Linux driver (which I do not have)?

 

_ PJF _ - 27 November 2012 05:39 PM

(The cheap upgrade from any version of XP to Win8 Pro is extremely attractive.)

Talk about temptation, eh? :mrgreen:

 

_ PJF _ - 27 November 2012 05:39 PM

I really should endeavour to become one of these clever people.

Yup, me too ;-)

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Posted: 28 November 2012 09:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 62 ]
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pumeco - 28 November 2012 09:35 AM

So would running a VM on Linux allow me to run Windows programs any better than WINE, or is that technically the same thing?  Running Windows inside of a Linux Window sounds cool, but does that also go as far as drivers are concerned?  Thing is, the dongle I use has a driver for Mac and Windows, and that’s the only thing stopping me using it on Linux.  But if running Windows inside of a window in Linux works as good as people say it does, will that goodness apply to drivers as well?

In other words, will Windows running inside of Linux use the Windows drivers, or will it still connect the dongle to USB using the Linux driver (which I do not have)?

That depends on the virtual machine…VirtualBox does USB pass through, so it’s Windows drivers…

Another thing,  and this is applicable to any virtual machine running any OS on any OS…once you are in the virtual OS, you are in that operating system, as if you booted into it.  The OS you were in, is now in the ‘background’.  So the programs you run in the virtual OS don’t know or care about the OS you started in…

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Posted: 28 November 2012 10:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 63 ]
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You literally just answered my next question, cheers!

I like that Windows doesn’t know Linux is there, because if it doesn’t know, it cannot tamper with it.
Very nice, and that’s awesome news about the USB as well, that’s what I was hoping to hear :-)

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Posted: 28 November 2012 05:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 64 ]
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pumeco - 28 November 2012 09:35 AM
_ PJF _ - 27 November 2012 05:39 PM

(The cheap upgrade from any version of XP to Win8 Pro is extremely attractive.)

Talk about temptation, eh? :mrgreen:

Indeed. Even more so for the many small and not so small businesses that are still nursing XP along on old hardware. PC gear is cheap right now, and with this Win8 offer lots might have made the move. But they stuck that stupid bollix in the way. Idiots.

 

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_ PJF _ - 27 November 2012 05:39 PM

I really should endeavour to become one of these clever people.

Yup, me too ;-)

Yeah, we’re a couple of schmucks for sure. But we’re the only schmucks who spotted what Bryce TA was capable of, and the only schmucks who fought like dogs amongst the allegedly better informed smart-arses to keep TA alive in the dark years. Fancy that, eh?

It’s the only reason I indulge you like I do. :mrgreen:

 

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Posted: 29 November 2012 09:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 65 ]
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I always liked to think that you indulge me because you were one of the few people intelligent enough to see I’m actually a jolly good bloke!
You are still my most bestist posh-friend, but you are also a misbehaving, hairy little twat!

Git.

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Posted: 29 November 2012 09:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 66 ]
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pumeco - 29 November 2012 09:12 AM

I always liked to think that you indulge me because you were one of the few people intelligent enough to see I’m actually a jolly good bloke!
You are still my most bestist posh-friend, but you are also a misbehaving, hairy little twat!

Git.

Oh for crying out loud, will you two get a room already. smile

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Posted: 30 November 2012 01:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 67 ]
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pumeco - 29 November 2012 09:12 AM

I always liked to think that you indulge me because you were one of the few people intelligent enough to see I’m actually a jolly good bloke!
You are still my most bestist posh-friend, but you are also a misbehaving, hairy little twat!

Git.

Oh for crying out loud, will you two get a room already. smile

To their credit they were the only two to see a grand potential in a tool that was extremely broken at the time. As much as I love Bryce I simply could not bring myself to TA as it was presented so many years ago. It was broken. It didn’t actually work, at least for me I never fell for it. The simple truth is that the results were inaccurate compared to what it is possible with the corrections made in Bryce 7.

That’s why Bryce will still survive, because we see renders by David Brinnen and Savage64 that are ridiculous and they do it daily with “seemingly” little effort. Acceptable render times. Bryce can do it, especially for produce visualization. These types of solid results were not possible or at least not nearly as accessible before the advent of Boost LIght, Scattering Correction, TA driven by the Diffuse Channel, TA Optimization. Each of these represents a huge step in accuracy and integration of light systems and render speed optimizations. Many of these core ideals were more or less steered by these two lovebirds along with tons of input from a host of others including David. Horo, Vasily, myself, and the rest of the band.

I cannot say enough good things about TA in Bryce 7. It really is a step in the right direction, it happened just in time.

Next step is to extend the Obscure Lighting to an outdoor situation.

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Posted: 30 November 2012 05:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 68 ]
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I’ve had no problems running Bryce 7.1 in Windows 8.  It may be I have a NVIDIA graphics card and they seem somewhat more compliant.

You still get the typical Desktop if you wish, so there is no requirement that one is stuck in the touch screen interface if they don’t want to be.  I’ve only had one program that refused to run properly and that was an older DX9 game which I don’t play anymore.

You can see here in the image below the Windows desktop with Bryce opened up on it.  I can use the mouse or the Bambo Pen tablet which has a touch pad capability as well.

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Posted: 30 November 2012 06:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 69 ]
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No chance, not unless he’s good at home-made spaghetti and meatballs :-D

@Rashad
No, the next thing is to get a new thread started.  I looked for it a few weeks back and then remembered it was on the old forum, not this one.  I’m on about that “Future Bryce” thread you got stickied last time; idea submissions.  Last I recall you were all peasants that couldn’t even decide on a maximum lab res, and I disagreed with a lot of it, but it was still good to watch!

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Posted: 30 November 2012 07:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 70 ]
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Rashad Carter - 30 November 2012 01:17 AM
LordHardDriven - 29 November 2012 09:06 PM
pumeco - 29 November 2012 09:12 AM

I always liked to think that you indulge me because you were one of the few people intelligent enough to see I’m actually a jolly good bloke!
You are still my most bestist posh-friend, but you are also a misbehaving, hairy little twat!

Git.

Oh for crying out loud, will you two get a room already. smile

To their credit they were the only two to see a grand potential in a tool that was extremely broken at the time. As much as I love Bryce I simply could not bring myself to TA as it was presented so many years ago. It was broken. It didn’t actually work, at least for me I never fell for it. The simple truth is that the results were inaccurate compared to what it is possible with the corrections made in Bryce 7.

That’s why Bryce will still survive, because we see renders by David Brinnen and Savage64 that are ridiculous and they do it daily with “seemingly” little effort. Acceptable render times. Bryce can do it, especially for produce visualization. These types of solid results were not possible or at least not nearly as accessible before the advent of Boost LIght, Scattering Correction, TA driven by the Diffuse Channel, TA Optimization. Each of these represents a huge step in accuracy and integration of light systems and render speed optimizations. Many of these core ideals were more or less steered by these two lovebirds along with tons of input from a host of others including David. Horo, Vasily, myself, and the rest of the band.

I cannot say enough good things about TA in Bryce 7. It really is a step in the right direction, it happened just in time.

Next step is to extend the Obscure Lighting to an outdoor situation.

Well no pun intended but now that I know this bit of history about them it sheds some light on some of their discussions I’ve seen. smile

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Posted: 30 November 2012 02:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 71 ]
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I can’t even remember the last time I had a full-on discussion about TA, not with Peter or anyone else, it’s all been scattered discussion lately, just a passing mention of TA and that’s about it.  And anyway, makes a nice change in recent years, I actually prefer watching others discuss and to see all the clever stuff the Brycers here come-up with.  I don’t comment most of the time because I reckon that if I start I’d be doing it all the time and it would soon get monotonous.

I just sit back in awe a lot of the time and keep quiet, and like I said, it makes a nice change.

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Posted: 30 November 2012 02:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 72 ]
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We are tending to drift away from Windows 8 again, and although I personally think that is the best thing anyone can do, nevertheless it was the Original Topic for the thread.

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Posted: 30 November 2012 08:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 73 ]
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chohole - 30 November 2012 02:42 PM

We are tending to drift away from Windows 8 again, and although I personally think that is the best thing anyone can do…

Berate eight? Late mate:

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/28/3693368/windows-blue-update-low-cost

Yes, it’s machine gun updates for Windows from now on, and the Mac crowd won’t have all the fun bitching and moaning because Bryce doesn’t run on the latest thing.

That’s the great plan, anyway. Reality may change it. Desktop PC sales are down more than 20 percent compared with the same four week period last year- despite (because of?) a new operating system. The Microsoft “Surface” tablet has just had production halved due to lack of demand. Windows Phone 8? Yeah, right.

A floundering leviathan, so desperate to catch up with Apple and Google in the new potential market that it’s happy to throw its user base in the old actual market under the bus, squandering its billions in the process. History while you watch; the process of creative destruction in action.

How this works out for Bryce I don’t know. Depends on DAZ. Right now, they look like a wide-eyed doe frozen in the headlights of a hurtling big ugly truck full of future.

 

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Posted: 30 November 2012 08:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 74 ]
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_ PJF _ - 30 November 2012 08:14 PM

they look like a wide-eyed doe frozen in the headlights of a hurtling big ugly truck full of future.

Can I steal that quote?

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE????

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Posted: 30 November 2012 08:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 75 ]
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_ PJF _ - 30 November 2012 08:14 PM

they look like a wide-eyed doe frozen in the headlights of a hurtling big ugly truck full of future.

Can I steal that quote?

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE????

I don’t know about stealing it, I wish someone would render it. cheese

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