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Posted: 11 November 2012 10:48 AM   [ Ignore ]
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What figure has the face that will express the most emotions?  I’m even having trouble getting natural looking smiles.  I do a lot of close ups of faces, so I need really fexible figures.  I realize it is a combination of the base mesh, and whatever 3rd party morphs are added.  I’m looking for both male and female figures, adults and teenagers.

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Posted: 11 November 2012 11:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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well Genesis and GenX will give you the biggest range as you can use V4, M4, K4 stuff and with the G3 iconic shapes and David3 addons, morphs from them too.
lots of sharecg freebies as well as store bought morphs.

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Posted: 11 November 2012 11:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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wendy♥catz - 11 November 2012 11:10 AM

well Genesis and GenX will give you the biggest range as you can use V4, M4, K4 stuff and with the G3 iconic shapes and David3 addons, morphs from them too.
lots of sharecg freebies as well as store bought morphs.

Thanks for the info.  I haven’t used Genesis for anything yet.  I have two questions.

If Genesis has a different mesh from those of the 3rd and 4th generation meshes, how can the morphs for old figures work in Genisis if the vertices are different in number and place?

If all these morphs are usuable with Genesis, how are they all labelled?  How do you keep track of them?  If you have 20 smile morphs from different figures added to the Genesis morph pool, how do you know which is which?

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Posted: 11 November 2012 11:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I do not know the technicallitys, geometry shell clone shape or something
it puts the morphs under GenX
in my case as I have done it a few times and also facegen etc, a real dogs breakfast, I use search a lot!!!
and yes, have about 20 smile morphs but can tell the Genx ones, renaming prob a good idea

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Posted: 11 November 2012 01:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I think V4 had better mesh than v3 for expressions.  I think most people tend to make morphs and expressions too symmetrical so they look unnatural.  I use my randomizer script for the 3rd and 4th generation figures.

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Posted: 11 November 2012 01:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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You know, although I never use her anymore, SMs MIKI characters had very good realistic facial expressions - but sadly -some god awful problems with her knee and elbow joints though.

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Posted: 11 November 2012 01:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Dogz - 11 November 2012 01:19 PM

You know, although I never use her anymore, SMs MIKI characters had very good realistic facial expressions - but sadly -some god awful problems with her knee and elbow joints though.

Miki4 still has odd arms.

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Posted: 11 November 2012 01:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Dogz - 11 November 2012 01:19 PM

You know, although I never use her anymore, SMs MIKI characters had very good realistic facial expressions - but sadly -some god awful problems with her knee and elbow joints though.

Miki4 still has odd arms.

Miki 1020 aka Miki 1.  Still use her.

I never really worried about her knees & elbows - my characters keep their clothes on.

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Posted: 11 November 2012 02:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Dogz - 11 November 2012 01:19 PM

You know, although I never use her anymore, SMs MIKI characters had very good realistic facial expressions - but sadly -some god awful problems with her knee and elbow joints though.

Miki4 still has odd arms.

Miki 1020 aka Miki 1.  Still use her.

I never really worried about her knees & elbows - my characters keep their clothes on.

So do mine, but shorts, skirts and Tshirts are clothes too.

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Posted: 11 November 2012 02:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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While I don’t own her and have never used her (making this pure speculation), my instinct (based on promotional material) has always been that Ang 2.0 was probably the most expressive figure.

http://www.mankahoo.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=137

I’d watch the video on that page.

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Posted: 11 November 2012 02:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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My vote goes to Miki2, TY2, and G2 Male line.
All have much more natural expressions (even for an anime-ish character like TY2) and there are many good ones.

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Posted: 11 November 2012 03:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Dogz - 11 November 2012 01:19 PM

You know, although I never use her anymore, SMs MIKI characters had very good realistic facial expressions - but sadly -some god awful problems with her knee and elbow joints though.

Miki4 still has odd arms.

This is because she is actually a double-jointed sex android.  I know this is true from renders I have seen on some Japanese poser sites.


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Posted: 11 November 2012 03:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Joequick - 11 November 2012 02:12 PM

While I don’t own her and have never used her (making this pure speculation), my instinct (based on promotional material) has always been that Ang 2.0 was probably the most expressive figure.

http://www.mankahoo.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=137

I’d watch the video on that page.

Thanks for pointing out Ang2.  I watched the video.  It was interesting.  They were using Poser 9 or 2012.  Most of the facial expressions seemed to be created, not by turning the Ang2 morph dials, but by using Poser’s “morph tool”.  I think that was what the little green dot that they were pulling around was.  Or am I wrong?  If it was just the morph tool, then those expressions should be achievable with the Daz figures too.

When the morph dials are turned in the video, they seem to do pretty much what the DAZ figure morph dials do - open the mouth, make the nose bigger, etc.

Ang2 has no Wardrobe Wizard support so none of the DAZ figures clothes will fit her.

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Posted: 11 November 2012 03:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Fauvist - 11 November 2012 10:48 AM

What figure has the face that will express the most emotions?  I’m even having trouble getting natural looking smiles.  I do a lot of close ups of faces, so I need really fexible figures.  I realize it is a combination of the base mesh, and whatever 3rd party morphs are added.  I’m looking for both male and female figures, adults and teenagers.

Thanks!

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Theoretically Genesis will be able to give you the most range, simply because it CAN take morphs for the others via GenX.  That said, it’s a two step process and there more pre-made expression morphs out there for V4 than all the other figures combined.  There are some amazingly gifted artists out there distributing them.  Ironman13 and Darkworld at Renderosity and Tempesta3D at both Rendo and Content Paradise, in particular, have done some absolutely amazing work that’s a fantastic base to build upon.  It’s also well worth it to pick up extra eye textures like http://www.daz3d.com/shop/l-i-e-makeup-layers-for-v4 as su,btle details like smudged and running makeup and glittering eye reflections can be the key to selling subtler emotions.   

FWIW, my personal process tends to be to work things out on a base V4 or M4, then transfer to the final figure and adjust for eye lines and lighting, then do a last final adjustment in photoshop, where just a tiny distortion at the edge of the mouth or tweak of the exposure on the eyes can often convey far more than what’s possible with just a morph.

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Posted: 11 November 2012 03:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Cybersox13 - 11 November 2012 03:39 PM

There are some amazingly gifted artists out there distributing them.  Ironman13 and Darkworld at Renderosity and Tempesta3D at both Rendo and Content Paradise, in particular, have done some absolutely amazing work that’s a fantastic base to build upon.  It’s also well worth it to pick up extra eye textures like http://www.daz3d.com/shop/l-i-e-makeup-layers-for-v4 as su,btle details like smudged and running makeup and glittering eye reflections can be the key to selling subtler emotions.   

FWIW, my personal process tends to be to work things out on a base V4 or M4, then transfer to the final figure and adjust for eye lines and lighting, then do a last final adjustment in photoshop, where just a tiny distortion at the edge of the mouth or tweak of the exposure on the eyes can often convey far more than what’s possible with just a morph.

Thanks for pointing these out.  I’ll take a look at what’s available.  Just to check - all these 3rd party morphs for V4 can be transferred to Genesis? 

And what happened to Victoria 5?  Is there any advantage of using Victoria 5 over Victoria 4?

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jmper - 11 November 2012 02:37 PM

My vote goes to Miki2, TY2, and G2 Male line.
All have much more natural expressions (even for an anime-ish character like TY2) and there are many good ones.

Man, I miss TY2.  Her body was hinged a little oddly in the middle, but given that she began as a mainstream advertising model rather than a commercial hobbyist product, she was way ahead of most of the other figures of her time in terms of design and subtlety of expression.  If they’d ever produced a male counterpart, she might have given Aiko3 a good run for her money, but…

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