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Posted: 07 November 2012 09:31 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Hi, I am in need of a character that has the features of a boy that has Down Syndrome. Does anyone have any info on if there is a character on the market out d? Or I would be happy to pay someone for the character. Would need to be for K4 or one of the Mil kids.
Thanks so much!

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Posted: 08 November 2012 12:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Hi!


I’ve never seen one.  The trouble is that for every person wanting to use something like that in a serious or inspirational way, we’re afraid there will be fifty vicious idiots wanting to use it to make fun of the handicapped.  I’ve heard the serious request before, though, so maybe someone has made one since then?

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Posted: 08 November 2012 04:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Hmm… That’s a bit of a touchy one. I’ve never seen anyone ask for something like this before.

I’m even not sure if there’s anything really catered to handicapped or special needs in any shape of form in 3D outside of maybe wheelchairs. I highly doubt many would chance it either. Your sincere intentions for such a character is deeply commendable, but SickleYield is right, it’s a pretty risky tread on politically correct territory…

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Posted: 08 November 2012 05:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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SickleYield - 08 November 2012 12:32 AM

inspirational way

Oh, God, please no wink As a disability rights activist, ‘inspirational’ disability art drives me up the wall! I actually blogged about this during the Paralympics - http://davidg-flatout.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/living-in-fear-of-being-labelled.html and there were a whole bunch of blogs and articles on a similar theme by other disabled people.

Which is not to say that you can’t do disability themed art:

 

 

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Posted: 08 November 2012 05:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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RCDeschene - 08 November 2012 04:01 AM

I highly doubt many would chance it either. Your sincere intentions for such a character is deeply commendable, but SickleYield is right, it’s a pretty risky tread on politically correct territory…

The other way of looking at it is that a blanket exclusion of disability themes says we aren’t fit to appear in art, which is even more of a problem. Ultimately being ‘politically correct’ just means not being rude to people, and ignoring an entire demographic group would count, OTOH if you don’t know whether it would be rude or not, that’s probably a sign you need to know more about disabled people, both in general and with regard to disability-themed art.

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Posted: 08 November 2012 06:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Wow..I was wondering if I should post such a topic because it is sensitive. I have been trying to create the character myself, but I am not that great at using the morphs to make a person look a certain way..I know there are artists out there that can make movie stars character look remarkably just like the star! I really did not mean to offend anyone, I have been hired to do a children’s book and the lady I am working for is a special education teacher and her son is best friends with a boy who had Down Syndrome. It is a sweet story and I just needed a character that looks the part. Thank you all for your postings and maybe I can swing it..I will certainly give it my best shot!

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Posted: 08 November 2012 06:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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digitell - 08 November 2012 06:01 AM

I really did not mean to offend anyone,

Don’t worry, I don’t see anything here to take offense at, and WRT the book, just treat the character with Downs Syndrome exactly as you would treat any other character.

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Posted: 08 November 2012 06:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Hi DWG thank you. smile I am not writing the book myself..the lady I am working for has written the book..she just wants me to do the illustrations for it so that is why I was in need of this character.
Thanks so much for posting smile

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Posted: 08 November 2012 07:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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I would think you could get pretty close to what you are looking for if you find a character with eastern characteristics and use that as a base for more dial spinning.  Something like children of the world

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/new-releases/children-of-the-world  or maybe Rascals http://www.daz3d.com/shop/rascals

May give you a starting point.

Edited to add a very quick attempt using CHildren of the world, and default lights in Poser.

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Posted: 08 November 2012 07:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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RCDeschene - 08 November 2012 04:01 AM

Hmm… That’s a bit of a touchy one. I’ve never seen anyone ask for something like this before.

I’m even not sure if there’s anything really catered to handicapped or special needs in any shape of form in 3D outside of maybe wheelchairs. I highly doubt many would chance it either. Your sincere intentions for such a character is deeply commendable, but SickleYield is right, it’s a pretty risky tread on politically correct territory…

It’s a physical characteristic. And how about amputated limbs? Anyone know where one can find a decent morph for M4/V4/K4/Genesis?

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Posted: 08 November 2012 08:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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DWG - 08 November 2012 05:23 AM
RCDeschene - 08 November 2012 04:01 AM

I highly doubt many would chance it either. Your sincere intentions for such a character is deeply commendable, but SickleYield is right, it’s a pretty risky tread on politically correct territory…

The other way of looking at it is that a blanket exclusion of disability themes says we aren’t fit to appear in art, which is even more of a problem. Ultimately being ‘politically correct’ just means not being rude to people, and ignoring an entire demographic group would count, OTOH if you don’t know whether it would be rude or not, that’s probably a sign you need to know more about disabled people, both in general and with regard to disability-themed art.

Trust me, I know disability. I’m medically disabled with Autism and went to school with kids of many different kinds of disabilities.

Norse Graphics - 08 November 2012 07:21 AM

It’s a physical characteristic. And how about amputated limbs? Anyone know where one can find a decent morph for M4/V4/K4/Genesis?

Exactly. One that many developers or artists might not feel comfortable creating.

The point is, yes, there are those who would see it as an exclusion for not being “fit” enough, but what about those that would take their appearances the wrong way? There would definitely be those that would make cases out of them for something like “looking to stereotypical”. I actually knew a woman who I had my Poser class with who absolutely was appalled by the appearances of the Girl’s 1940’s idealistic proportions and found the term “Freak” for a person with large muscles to be down-right offensive, specially a “She-Freak”.

I don’t mean do sound challenging, but it’s like I said, it IS a very sensitive and risky media marketing subject. For those of you familiar with the very popular show, “My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic”, was met with controversy during its recent season over an episode featuring a wall-eyed, clumsy, oddly voiced Pegasus named “Derpy Whooves”. Upon receiving numerous phone calls from parents of disabled children, Hasbro had to pull and edit the part of the episode where she was featured such as reanimating her eyes and redub her lines with a different voice actor. No harm was intended or is intended with these kinds of things, of course, but again, you really have to be careful.

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Posted: 08 November 2012 08:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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chohole - 08 November 2012 07:19 AM

I would think you could get pretty close to what you are looking for if you find a character with eastern characteristics and use that as a base for more dial spinning.  Something like children of the world

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/new-releases/children-of-the-world  or maybe Rascals http://www.daz3d.com/shop/rascals

May give you a starting point.

Edited to add a very quick attempt using CHildren of the world, and default lights in Poser.

Wow Chohole you did a remarkable job on that character! I do have Children of the World and I never thought of using it. Thank you so much for posting this..and for trying to help! Thank you! smile

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Posted: 08 November 2012 08:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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If one doesn’t have the tools, how can a scene in a hospital be rendered? I find it more appalling that some would de facto ‘ban’ the use of morphs depicting disabled people. I find them quite offensive, as they use ‘sensitivity’ as a bad excuse, some sort of screen to hide away people that in fact do exist. That I haven’t rendered a scene inside a hospital is due to I haven’t the right digital content yet.

And those who would make pictures that portray disabled in a negative way, will find one way or another; Photoshopping etc. regardless of what the rest of us do. There’s an expression that comes to mind; Don’t cut off your chin when shaving.

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Posted: 08 November 2012 09:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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I think when someone wants to make renders which show handicaped people in a negative way or make fun of them, then this person surely finds a way to do so. It should not be an excuse for refusing to create such morphs. Without the morphs it is more difficult to create a render featuring someone with Down syndrome, but what about paraplegic, deaf or blind people? Their handicaps are not that hard to portray, a render with them would be fairly easy to do. So it sounds a bit strange to me that people whose handicaps are more visible should be protected, but those with non-visible or easily portrayed handicaps not. Is it worse to humiliate a blind person, or to humiliate someone with Dow Syndrome? I think it is equally wrong. And of course the person who does the render is resposible, not the one who made the morph.

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Posted: 08 November 2012 09:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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chohole - 08 November 2012 07:19 AM

I would think you could get pretty close to what you are looking for if you find a character with eastern characteristics and use that as a base for more dial spinning.  Something like children of the world

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/new-releases/children-of-the-world  or maybe Rascals http://www.daz3d.com/shop/rascals

May give you a starting point.

Edited to add a very quick attempt using CHildren of the world, and default lights in Poser.

Wow Chohole you did a remarkable job on that character! I do have Children of the World and I never thought of using it. Thank you so much for posting this..and for trying to help! Thank you! smile


You are welcome.  My best friend had a 2nd son who was downs syndrome, and he was the most cheerful child I have ever come across, and a lovely little fellow. Nearly always had a smile on his face.

One thing I most remember about him was one day he had been arguing with his Mum, and decided he was going to leave home, and go to live with “Auntie Pam” which is me. I lived next door to them at that time. He went upstairs, packed his little suitcase, left through the front door, came and knocked on my front door, and solemnly told me he had come to live with me. When he unpacked his little case it contained his teddy bear. I tucked him up with my boys for the night, with lots of giggles coming from the room before they settled down. Next day after his adventure he packed teddy back in the case and went home again, just in time for my firend to get him ready for the school bus when it came to collect him.

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Posted: 08 November 2012 09:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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chohole - 08 November 2012 09:41 AM
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chohole - 08 November 2012 07:19 AM

I would think you could get pretty close to what you are looking for if you find a character with eastern characteristics and use that as a base for more dial spinning.  Something like children of the world

http://www.daz3d.com/shop/new-releases/children-of-the-world  or maybe Rascals http://www.daz3d.com/shop/rascals

May give you a starting point.

Edited to add a very quick attempt using CHildren of the world, and default lights in Poser.

Wow Chohole you did a remarkable job on that character! I do have Children of the World and I never thought of using it. Thank you so much for posting this..and for trying to help! Thank you! smile


You are welcome.  My best friend had a 2nd son who was downs syndrome, and he was the most cheerful child I have ever come across, and a lovely little fellow. Nearly always had a smile on his face.

One thing I most remember about him was one day he had been arguing with his Mum, and decided he was going to leave home, and go to live with “Auntie Pam” which is me. I lived next door to them at that time. He went upstairs, packed his little suitcase, left through the front door, came and knocked on my front door, and solemnly told me he had come to live with me. When he unpacked his little case it contained his teddy bear. I tucked him up with my boys for the night, with lots of giggles coming from the room before they settled down. Next day after his adventure he packed teddy back in the case and went home again, just in time for my firend to get him ready for the school bus when it came to collect him.

OMG that is sooo funny! He really thought he put his foot down heh! ( well I guess he actually did hehe ).. It is good that you lived so close! Glad he had a good time smile

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