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I´m owner from Carrara 8.1 Pro and use 64 bit version, i want upgrade to Carrara 8.5 Pro. How much is the price for the upgrade ?

thx Roland4

Carrara 8.5 is only in Beta at the moment.

chohole - 03 November 2012 04:14 AM

Carrara 8.5 is only in Beta at the moment.

I have heard, Carrara 8.5 is released but only in 64 bit. Is this info not correct ?

thx Roland4

Latest version of 8.5 beta is talked about here,

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/4700/

Thank´s.

thx Roland4

ROLAND dont hold your breath waiting for the official full version of C 8.5 Pro to be released any time soon… Many have and their Obituaries were painful to read about

HI Roland4

I have heard, Carrara 8.5 is released but only in 64 bit. Is this info not correct ?

No,. this is wrong.

Carrara 8.5 is still being developed, ( it’s in open beta development)
the new serial number extends the current version into December.

Many existing users tried to make Daz3D aware that they were more concerned about getting a Solid, working version of Carrara, than how long it took to get that.

I think it makes sense NOT to work towards a “marketing deadline” when the product will be released,. (in whatever state it’s in)
rather than have a solidly developed version of the program which works on Mac and PC, but will take longer to develop.

Anyone expecting Santa to bring them Carrara 8.5 final and complete, should write another letter with some alternative gift choices.

Anyone now barking about the length of time that Daz have been spending working on Carrara, should think back to when they were complaining about how much development time daz were giving to Daz Studio, and how they were Not developing Carrara enough.

Right now you would be hard pressed to convince me DAZ is doing anything with carrara. The temp serial has ran out 3-4 times since the last update. Personally I feel for that 1 developer DAZ has left, those 6 marketing guys have to be running him raged.

ManStan - 06 November 2012 07:13 AM

Right now you would be hard pressed to convince me DAZ is doing anything with carrara. The temp serial has ran out 3-4 times since the last update. Personally I feel for that 1 developer DAZ has left, those 6 marketing guys have to be running him raged.

Heh heh, ah heh.

Come now. I doubt, very seriously, that DAZ only has one developer left working on Carrara.

Perhaps two.

Perhaps.

3DAGE - 05 November 2012 06:44 AM

Anyone now barking about the length of time that Daz have been spending working on Carrara, should think back to when they were complaining about how much development time daz were giving to Daz Studio, and how they were Not developing Carrara enough.

So if 8.5 development goes on for another year or two or three, don’t complain. At least they’re developing, like you asked for.

Hmmm….

I don’t think the average user thinks that way.

The average user doesn’t think it’s reasonable for a company to take advantage of its customers’ good will for well over a year, by expecting those users to continue to find errors made by its developers.

Those who signed up for beta testing are doing the company a service. That’s a good thing, and those people should be treated with respect. And I assume most beta testers sign up with a reasonable expectation of performance by the company. 

Yes, users (including you and I, presumably) want the company to focus resources on their product, but they also want them to do it quickly, efficiently, and with high quality. If not, the company might lose those customers to another company. That is not an unreasonable expectation. Nor is it to be dismissed as merely “barking”. It’s a reasonable expectation by reasonable people. And those same reasonable people might take offense to be treated in such a derogatory manner. 

Hi Joe

Daz focused a lot of development in to daz studio,  they took on board the feedback from their users, and developed a better product, but it wasn’t developed quickly, and Daz Studio has Carrara users completely outnumbered when it comes to how many users are willing to beta test, report bugs, help with making tutorials, and generally get involved and try to help make it better and easier for others.

The average user doesn’t think it’s reasonable for a company to take advantage of its customers’ good will for well over a year, by expecting those users to continue to find errors made by its developers.

You’re right, and it would be silly to defend any company which was taking advantage of it’s customers, it would be equally silly to expect the company to remain in business if it was doing so.

I’m not trying to defend anyone, and I’m not suggesting that anyone is being taken advantage of by anyone else.

Daz are actively developing carrara,. and presumably that’s what the Customers, (user of carrara) want them to do.

The beta testing process is open to the users,.. and it’s Voluntary,... nobody forces any user to beta test, or sign up to test.

An open beta isn’t always the case, and it doesn’t have to be open. but there are advantages for both the developers (and users) in doing so,..
having many people testing the release on different systems and different OS’s should help to find issues, and deal with them.
(If those users report the issues they find).

the product could be developed behind closed doors, and simply released for sale.

I assume most beta testers sign up with a reasonable expectation of performance by the company

reasonable expectation,... which would include NOT releasing a version which may be unstable ?  and perhaps posting a new serial number to extend the current version, which may be more stable. ?

Quickly manufactured products,. and High quality products, seldom occupy the same shelf space.

Merging code from two applications developed at different times, by different developers,. may not be something which can be done easily and Quickly.

If development is done right,... with care and attention to detail,...then the customer should have a quality product,.
If it’s done quickly, hastily, and rushed out the door,... the customer usually get something which isn’t high quality,. but can usually be fixed with a service pack or two,. once customers start reporting the issues..

Isn’t that really taking advantage of customers. ?

I’m not being derogatory to anyone, at least, not intentionally.
I’m saying simply understand that Carrara is being worked on,. it’s not ready yet,. have some patience.

Q: Are we there yet ?

,... No,. We’re not there yet….

Okay, Andy, we’ll be patient.

How much longer should we be patient for? And how much longer should we continue to help DAZ with beta testing on 8.5?

6 months? A year? As long as it takes? What’s reasonable?

By the way, I think Andy has a good point.

It’s a bit like going into a restaurant, and you sit down and order your dinner. And then the waitress says “Oh, it will take about 4 hours to cook that”.

And if you complain, she replies “well, if you want it cooked you’ll just have to be patient”.

Andy would sit there and wait, the rest of us would get up and walk out, and head down to the restaurant down the street.

HI Joe

I think you answered that question yourself,.

It’s a personal decision that each individual makes determined on what they personally see as a reasonable amount of time to wait either for food to be prepared, or for software to be developed.

some part of the development time, also depends on what the developer sees as being required, in order to provide the customer with a product which is fit for purpose. eg: fully cooked through.

I think that cooking food quickly for your customers, because they may not wait, and they could go elsewhere..
could be a very bad idea,. ...unless it’s quick, simple food, or prepared in advance.
But, your given example of 4 hours to prepare a meal,..  would seem unreasonable to me, depending upon the food being prepared. 

3DAGE - 05 November 2012 06:44 AM

HI Roland4

I have heard, Carrara 8.5 is released but only in 64 bit. Is this info not correct ?

No,. this is wrong.

Carrara 8.5 is still being developed, ( it’s in open beta development)
the new serial number extends the current version into December.

Many existing users tried to make Daz3D aware that they were more concerned about getting a Solid, working version of Carrara, than how long it took to get that.

I think it makes sense NOT to work towards a “marketing deadline” when the product will be released,. (in whatever state it’s in)
rather than have a solidly developed version of the program which works on Mac and PC, but will take longer to develop.

Anyone expecting Santa to bring them Carrara 8.5 final and complete, should write another letter with some alternative gift choices.

Anyone now barking about the length of time that Daz have been spending working on Carrara, should think back to when they were complaining about how much development time daz were giving to Daz Studio, and how they were Not developing Carrara enough.

I was not barking.

I am actually expecting Santa to bring me Carrara Pro 20, when my six year old turns 20. As far as deadlines go, only DAZ knows what targets they set for themselves. Over TWO years is quite a lot to ask people to take the time to beta check. If people want to do that, that’s fine.

And I wish you hadn’t mentioned “a solidly developed version.” I got a bit of the cringe reading that.

I’ll lay a $10 coupon to you that whenever DAZ finally gets off their backside and releases C 8.5 or 9 or whichever version it ends up as, it will be full of bugs, some old, some new.  Now I’ll be happy as a kangaroo in a good shoe store if I have to pay up and they do put out a solidly developed version but considering their stuff up with the new website… I don’t see that happening this year.

Or next.

Hi DaRkWyNdE

I hear what you’re saying, and I agree with much of it,. but C8.5 is a different program from C8, and there’s a lot of areas which have been reworked or added from scratch, in order to get Genesis and the new Duf format working, and make Carrara more reliable,.

Is it finished and stable ,.. no, not yet

There’s also a load of new things, such as Multi-layer shaders, and the new shape light icons. auto-fit, etc, and a lot of older bugs which have been dealt with.

I’m not making any claims about the stability of Carrara 8.5 (I don’t program it, and I don’t sell it)  when I compare a “solid development” process to a “quickly released” version, ...released to fit a marketing deadline. whether it’s stable or not. ( See C7 and C8) with later service releases.

Right now in the public beta,. there are still issue to be worked through, but that’s only to be expected, since it’s a beta version. 
but right now, for me, it has less issues than C8 had at this point in it’s development, and it’s pretty stable on a 64bit PC with win7.

Thankfully the web development team are different from the software development team.

I wont take your $10 even though, right now, C8.5 Is more stable than C8, as it works on both PC and Mac systems, where C8 doesn’t.

The more issues people report, the easier it becomes to track down where faults are, and fix them.
and the less likely we are of getting a version which is full of Bugs,.
the longer the development process, the more work can be done in that time.

but, if people see the beta as a “free play” version, or an “upgrade to C8” and aren’t reporting issues, then,.. you get what you give.