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Posted: 28 October 2012 06:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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KickAir 8P - 28 October 2012 05:35 PM
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Misty Whisky - 28 October 2012 07:40 AM

i dunno that art can be measured.

i personally wouldn’t consider Picasso art, but everyone else begs to differ smile

Not being measurable was my point.  It’s like asking which is better “red” or “green”?  The answer is totally subjective.

Personally I’m looking for a sap that loves green and I’ll sell him a bag of lawn cuttings sprayed onto framed piece of flypaper.

My criteria for liking art are: “does it show talent or persistence?”  If so, then the creator deserves some kudos.  My best example of non-art is Miro’s giant, ragged, hand painted red circle on an otherwise blank canvas that I saw in a big Texas museum.  Laughing all the way to the bank with that one he was.

Twenty-some years ago I was in the Smithsonian Fine Art museum (or Modern Art museum- I don’t remember what it was called). I ran across a ‘work’ that consisted of two canvases, both about 5 feet square. One was semi-gloss black, the other semi-gloss white; about 9 inches in from the left on each was a lavender stripe not quite two inches wide, running top to bottom. I looked at it (them), and thought “This is art? Someone would pay for this? This looks stupid.” Five times, over the course of the day; I couldn’t stay away, it kept drawing me back.

I’m reluctant to say “this isn’t art”, especially when (however inexplicably) a piece does what art’s supposed to do.  And in this day’n'age it’s not really surprising that art made with high-tech supplies is starting to draw critical acclaim and big money.

I’d say the piece in question (which looks like a lot more work went into it than just load-pose-render), as a high-quality print with a limited run, could easily be worth a few hundred on the open market.  $12,000?!?  Not from me!  But it’s not to my taste.

I don’t know. It seems like there’s a lot of snobbery out there that if it wasn’t done on paper or canvas or fresco or marble or some other traditional medium, it’s not art. :(

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Posted: 28 October 2012 06:42 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Posted: 28 October 2012 07:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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If you don’t go out and dig out your own block of marble, dig, bake grind your own pigments…stretch…heck, weave your own canvas…go pluck the tail hairs off a mink or squirrel…grow your own chickens so you have your own eggs…it’s not art.

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Posted: 28 October 2012 08:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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mjc1016 - 28 October 2012 07:11 PM

If you don’t go out and dig out your own block of marble, dig, bake grind your own pigments…stretch…heck, weave your own canvas…go pluck the tail hairs off a mink or squirrel…grow your own chickens so you have your own eggs…it’s not art.

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Posted: 28 October 2012 08:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Zaarin - 28 October 2012 06:22 PM

I don’t know. It seems like there’s a lot of snobbery out there that if it wasn’t done on paper or canvas or fresco or marble or some other traditional medium, it’s not art. :(

Very true Zaarin, but it WAS printed on paper, we just don’t know what kind of paper, especially if it’s signed, numbered and framed with a backing behind it.  Who’s going to undo the backing paper, remove the frame, and test the paper?  Most wouldn’t bother unless it was an oil or acrylic on canvas, and then they might want it tested if it’s supposed to be from a classic artist like Picasso or Monet, et al.

I’m just sitting here shaking my head that it was printed with an inkjet printer.  Unbelievable!  You can’t get true RGB colors with an inkjet, only CYMK.  With a good commercial laser printer, however, you could.

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Posted: 28 October 2012 08:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Zaarin - 28 October 2012 06:22 PM

I don’t know. It seems like there’s a lot of snobbery out there that if it wasn’t done on paper or canvas or fresco or marble or some other traditional medium, it’s not art. :(

Very true Zaarin, but it WAS printed on paper, we just don’t know what kind of paper, especially if it’s signed, numbered and framed with a backing behind it.  Who’s going to undo the backing paper, remove the frame, and test the paper?  Most wouldn’t bother unless it was an oil or acrylic on canvas, and then they might want it tested if it’s supposed to be from a classic artist like Picasso or Monet, et al.

I’m just sitting here shaking my head that it was printed with an inkjet printer.  Unbelievable!  You can’t get true RGB colors with an inkjet, only CYMK.  With a good commercial laser printer, however, you could.

My comment was mostly directed at KickAir’s statement that it’s not surprising high-tech art is in demand; in my experience, high tech art has to sell really hard just to be accepted as art.

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Posted: 28 October 2012 08:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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For my part, I say “Good on him.” The price is improbable, unlikely, kind of unbelievable, but if he can make it sell, then more power to him.

Me, though… if you discount furniture, I don’t think the entire contents of my house would add up to $12 000, so that price is definitely not aimed at people like me!

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Posted: 28 October 2012 09:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Zaarin - 28 October 2012 08:47 PM
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Zaarin - 28 October 2012 06:22 PM

I don’t know. It seems like there’s a lot of snobbery out there that if it wasn’t done on paper or canvas or fresco or marble or some other traditional medium, it’s not art. :(

Very true Zaarin, but it WAS printed on paper, we just don’t know what kind of paper, especially if it’s signed, numbered and framed with a backing behind it.  Who’s going to undo the backing paper, remove the frame, and test the paper?  Most wouldn’t bother unless it was an oil or acrylic on canvas, and then they might want it tested if it’s supposed to be from a classic artist like Picasso or Monet, et al.

I’m just sitting here shaking my head that it was printed with an inkjet printer.  Unbelievable!  You can’t get true RGB colors with an inkjet, only CYMK.  With a good commercial laser printer, however, you could.

My comment was mostly directed at KickAir’s statement that it’s not surprising high-tech art is in demand; in my experience, high tech art has to sell really hard just to be accepted as art.

Sorry, what I said was that I’m not surprised that it’s starting to get demand — it had to happen eventually.  Anybody who’s grabbed Poser or DAZ Studio and fired it up believing in the Make Art button’s had their dreams of quick’n'easy art shot down in short order — 3D art’s not easier nor much faster than traditional media, it just has different difficulties, challenges that some people find themselves more capable of overcoming that those involved in mastering sculpture or painting.

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Posted: 28 October 2012 11:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Fauvist - 27 October 2012 09:52 PM

I posted a thread like this a year or two ago.  Today I went to one of those international art fairs and saw a 3D render with a price tag of $12,000.  It was a limited edition print, one of 20.  20 prints for $12,000 is almost a quarter of a million dollars for one render.  The artist is once again Ray Caesar.  Here’s a link to the image Love Letters by Ray Caesar $12,000

The price may probably have some believe that it’s worth it. One of my friends had a shop were he sold crystals. Some of the cheap ones didn’t sell very well, so for fun he tried to double the price. Then he suddenly started selling more of these. Go figure.


 

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Posted: 29 October 2012 01:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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KickAir 8P - 28 October 2012 09:52 PM
Zaarin - 28 October 2012 08:47 PM
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Zaarin - 28 October 2012 06:22 PM

I don’t know. It seems like there’s a lot of snobbery out there that if it wasn’t done on paper or canvas or fresco or marble or some other traditional medium, it’s not art. :(

Very true Zaarin, but it WAS printed on paper, we just don’t know what kind of paper, especially if it’s signed, numbered and framed with a backing behind it.  Who’s going to undo the backing paper, remove the frame, and test the paper?  Most wouldn’t bother unless it was an oil or acrylic on canvas, and then they might want it tested if it’s supposed to be from a classic artist like Picasso or Monet, et al.

I’m just sitting here shaking my head that it was printed with an inkjet printer.  Unbelievable!  You can’t get true RGB colors with an inkjet, only CYMK.  With a good commercial laser printer, however, you could.

My comment was mostly directed at KickAir’s statement that it’s not surprising high-tech art is in demand; in my experience, high tech art has to sell really hard just to be accepted as art.

Sorry, what I said was that I’m not surprised that it’s starting to get demand — it had to happen eventually.  Anybody who’s grabbed Poser or DAZ Studio and fired it up believing in the Make Art button’s had their dreams of quick’n'easy art shot down in short order — 3D art’s not easier nor much faster than traditional media, it just has different difficulties, challenges that some people find themselves more capable of overcoming that those involved in mastering sculpture or painting.

True Beth.  I agree with that.  I know it’s taken me almost 4 years dabbling in DS to think I’m even making headway.  I’ll never consider anything I create art, but then most of us are our own worst critics.  That’s not to say that I haven’t, over the years I’ve been involved in Bryce, Poser and now DS, seen renders I would consider a piece of art if printed on a high quality printer and framed, because I have and some are from members of this very forum.  I just don’t think, as nice as that render is, that it’s the kind of render to sell for that kind of money unless it had been hand painted.  It’s nice, just not phenomenal, and not worthy of such a high price tag.

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Posted: 29 October 2012 01:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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KickAir 8P - 28 October 2012 09:52 PM
Zaarin - 28 October 2012 08:47 PM
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Zaarin - 28 October 2012 06:22 PM

I don’t know. It seems like there’s a lot of snobbery out there that if it wasn’t done on paper or canvas or fresco or marble or some other traditional medium, it’s not art. :(

Very true Zaarin, but it WAS printed on paper, we just don’t know what kind of paper, especially if it’s signed, numbered and framed with a backing behind it.  Who’s going to undo the backing paper, remove the frame, and test the paper?  Most wouldn’t bother unless it was an oil or acrylic on canvas, and then they might want it tested if it’s supposed to be from a classic artist like Picasso or Monet, et al.

I’m just sitting here shaking my head that it was printed with an inkjet printer.  Unbelievable!  You can’t get true RGB colors with an inkjet, only CYMK.  With a good commercial laser printer, however, you could.

My comment was mostly directed at KickAir’s statement that it’s not surprising high-tech art is in demand; in my experience, high tech art has to sell really hard just to be accepted as art.

Sorry, what I said was that I’m not surprised that it’s starting to get demand — it had to happen eventually.  Anybody who’s grabbed Poser or DAZ Studio and fired it up believing in the Make Art button’s had their dreams of quick’n'easy art shot down in short order — 3D art’s not easier nor much faster than traditional media, it just has different difficulties, challenges that some people find themselves more capable of overcoming that those involved in mastering sculpture or painting.

For my part, I agree with you—but the critics still believe in the “Make Art” button, unfortunately, as do the people using the “real” 3D programs that cost what this artist is making for his render. raspberry

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Posted: 29 October 2012 06:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Aw maaaaaan . . . . . .  I thought “$12,000 For One Render” was another contest on here.

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Posted: 29 October 2012 06:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Denny L - 29 October 2012 06:06 PM

Aw maaaaaan . . . . . .  I thought “$12,000 For One Render” was another contest on here.

shut eye

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Posted: 29 October 2012 06:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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The Price is in the eyes of the beholder and the lover of this Image , if he / she is willing to pay that price than GOOD ON HIM:)

We 3D Artists are still not seen as Artists, as if we have an * instant Art * button in our Program of choice.

I was once asked how many MINUTES it took to create one of my Images…. MINUTES!

Art is when a Person creates something no matter if it is made from sticks, apples, oil on canvas or 3D.
Just my humble opinion.

If my work was that good that a Gallery would take my Images on then YES, why not.

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Posted: 30 October 2012 01:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Zaarin - 29 October 2012 01:35 PM

. . . unfortunately, as do the people using the “real” 3D programs that cost what this artist is making for his render. raspberry

Or more likely double that price or more.  I’ve always wanted Maya as it was used to create the later Myst games, which is how I got interested in 3D in the first place, but it’s currently selling for $3,675.  ~sheesh~

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