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“designed” was the wrong word..maybe it was designed by the own’s kid brother or something.
I mean “supported” by a stubborn board of directors regardless of community input.

But the whole Daz 4 thing especially 4.5 is being revealed more and more to be what it is.  A scam to get you to buy seriously overpriced and redundant Genesis crap.
I’ve yet to see a render done with a Genesis model that was any more interesting than one done with a V4.
Especially if that render was done in Poser.
Daz really doesn’t care if Studio 4.5 works or not as long as you spend spend spend on Genesis crap that will - in the end - look no different than your V4s depending on what program you are using to render it in.
Since you probably postwork a lot like I do that’s a non issue anyway.
The potential for searching that the meta data offered was interesting ..but useless for the massive amount of legacy content I have and which most longtime users have anyway.
The Content Directory Manager was - and is - invasive.
Just Daz’s way to invade my hard drive in an attempt to protect their content.
I don’t begrudge them that considering the amount of piracy they must have suffered over the years.
But other companies are invasive without slowing my system to a crawl while they do it.
For the most part I think Daz are counting on people just not complaining that the emperor has no clothes.  Most newbs will just assume they don’t have the chops
to figure out the awesome Daz “Pro”  and many others will be justifiably confused by its roccoco interface.
Daz has thrown us long time users to the wolves.
I’ve said it in my blogs…said it in my DA group…said it to my friends.
Its the truth.
They don’t even have the decency to retain a legacy version of a Daz Studio 3 for download,
Well of *course* not..
No one in their right mind would use Daz 4 anything if a current Daz 3 was available.
That would mean they wouldn’t have to buy the snake oil Genesis crap.

Oh yeah…and sounding resentful…My version of Daz Studio3 Pro cost me. Not to mention the plugins like “hand grip”  which *also* cost me. The shaders which I used a lot which are now useless because the vendors signed off when Daz made the leap from 3 to 4.
Thanks a lot Daz.
Yeah…I have axes to grind.

Advanced Edition…*not* Pro…hell I was still charged for it…I’ll quit ranting.

Addressing the only factual claim there, the Content Management Service has nothing to do with and would not be suitable for fighting content piracy. It is intended and designed to be useful to users - though I agree that it doesn’t suit every user (I don’t use it, though I let it run).

Microsoft should still have 3.1 available for download.  It got the job done.  Nobody needs the bells and whistles of 95, 98, XP, Vista, Windows7, and most certainly not Windows8.  It’s just a ploy to force users to spend more money on their programs and new computers.

Interesting thread. I’ve re-lurked here for a while after a couple of years having ditched DazStudio and returned to Poser , then come back to see what the genesis fuss is all about. Oddly enough I always found Poser clunky with its ridiculously over-sized and arcane controls and interface, but actually i get work done more quickly than I probably ever will in Studio. I’m sure there are many who feel the opposite, but both products are in need of some really intelligent thought on the interfaces and processes with a view to making everything work better and more efficiently. If there is one thing that stands in the way of creativity it’s computers and software.

That is not a whole lot different from mixing paints but the latter is somehow more satisfying.

But what irks me is that despite the apparent sophistication of progress on the Studio/poser front it is an undeniable observation that 90% of the output as illustrated here and at renderosity is very similar to that from 5 years ago….thousands of doll-like anorexic figures with pursed lips!!! And if you go to youtube looking for a video of a FINISHED piece of animation work from Poser, DaZStudio or iClone you’ll be disappointed. The best you’ll get is a “test” animation of a gorky figure walking like a drunk for three seconds, or a mocap sample of a five second looped dance move. 3d technology for the masses is very, very primitive and it shows! Still…it can be fun.

leonardis - 29 October 2012 12:53 PM

But what irks me is that despite the apparent sophistication of progress on the Studio/poser front it is an undeniable observation that 90% of the output as illustrated here and at renderosity is very similar to that from 5 years ago….thousands of doll-like anorexic figures with pursed lips!!!n.

I think you’re mixing up a things here :D What is technologically possible and what people want to see / create are two very different things :D

As long as people like “doll-like anorexic figures with pursed lips” they’ll create them, even when we upload those pictures directly into our brains. Even when DAZ Studio gets a manual.

Barubary - 29 October 2012 01:47 PM

I think you’re mixing up a things here :D What is technologically possible and what people want to see / create are two very different things :D

As long as people like “doll-like anorexic figures with pursed lips” they’ll create them, even when we upload those pictures directly into our brains. Even when DAZ Studio gets a manual.

Sure. But that might be at least partly due to 3d consumer software having a sameness look about them which you can spot a mile away.

leonardis - 29 October 2012 12:53 PM

...but both products are in need of some really intelligent thought on the interfaces and processes with a view to making everything work better and more efficiently. If there is one thing that stands in the way of creativity it’s computers and software…

insert the word “desperate” in between “in” and “need”, it appears both of these products could use an overhaul. Posers interface is ancient, and Studio decided it was going to hold your hand; like it or not, when simple documentation could have freed up a lot of screen real estate and clutter and mouse clicks. I still want to use DS4 on my system, I just keep running into deal breaker issues and as it’s been stated anything I’ve seen with Genesis I can get the same results with M4,V4 and the tools at my disposal in DS3.

I pretty much agree with TAW 1 i’ve pretty much stopped using daz all together took everything off my hard drive I’ve been a user since 2004 they have pretty much made everything that I have bought useless not about to go out and spend hundreds more for stuff that pretty much is the same stuff. My version of daz 3 was pro and I paid for it too. Soo I pretty much got screwed on that deal wish they could refund me for it heck that would be nice, ohh well a lot of my freinds about 30 in all have pretty much stopped using as well. They have pretty much screwed the pooch on this one until a better version comes out one that actually works with the stuff we already have then we are done for the time being shame to.

They have pretty much screwed the pooch on this one until a better version comes out one that actually works with the stuff we already have then we are done for the time being shame to.

I am sorry that is true for you. Thankfully it is not true for me.  I can still load some of my scenes from as far back as version 2 in 4.5 and all the content I use has worked for me. I’m pretty thrilled to use old version clothing on genesis because it means less out of pocket expense. Unlike when V4/M4 came out I’ve gotten to keep using things even though I switched characters. For me the new version of studio has been a real blessing with all the added abilities and money saving. I couldn’t get by without being able to add additional surface areas in studio on the fly or save portions of a scene rather than delete so I only get what I want in the save.

Khory - 31 October 2012 09:25 PM

They have pretty much screwed the pooch on this one until a better version comes out one that actually works with the stuff we already have then we are done for the time being shame to.

I am sorry that is true for you. Thankfully it is not true for me.  I can still load some of my scenes from as far back as version 2 in 4.5 and all the content I use has worked for me. I’m pretty thrilled to use old version clothing on genesis because it means less out of pocket expense. Unlike when V4/M4 came out I’ve gotten to keep using things even though I switched characters. For me the new version of studio has been a real blessing with all the added abilities and money saving. I couldn’t get by without being able to add additional surface areas in studio on the fly or save portions of a scene rather than delete so I only get what I want in the save. [/quot

You sound a spokesperson for some advertisment company that has to say good things about a product even though a lot of people are having problems with this product. Yes we are well aware of the things this daz version does you don’t need to sound like some flower child talking about it and great if its working like magic for ya. But for people who are in the real world it isn’t working like it should and daz has addmitted to this. So if you have any solutions please don’t talk becuase thats what we are looking for is solutions.

FYI not made at ya just looking to solve some of these issues that daz has seem to ignore.

I don’t have to be in advertising or marketing to say stuff works for me. Or are you insinuating something darker about me? I don’t have any issues with it so I get called a flower child and and add exec? Should I pretend I have problems or dislike something so a few people won’t jump me for it? And trust me I live in a very real world. What I actually sound like is someone who worked their behind off to get studio 4 and loved it because it solved many of my problems and saved me a slew of money because I could use my old stuff still. And I sound like someone who has updated two two different versions of 4.5 on two different computers without issues. That is ALL I sound like so don’t try and flame me because mine works.

Khory - 01 November 2012 12:32 AM

I don’t have to be in advertising or marketing to say stuff works for me. Or are you insinuating something darker about me? I don’t have any issues with it so I get called a flower child and and add exec? Should I pretend I have problems or dislike something so a few people won’t jump me for it? And trust me I live in a very real world. What I actually sound like is someone who worked their behind off to get studio 4 and loved it because it solved many of my problems and saved me a slew of money because I could use my old stuff still. And I sound like someone who has updated two two different versions of 4.5 on two different computers without issues. That is ALL I sound like so don’t try and flame me because mine works.

Like I said we are not looking for people who say theirs works wonderfully we have problems with ours so if you have a solution then speak if not then don’t. I know all the features of the program been using since 04 so I don’t need a walkthrough of how they work and crap if you have any insightfull solutions then speak if not then don’t and go sing koombyaa in another forum right now we are trying to solve some major issues daz has.

By the way I’m hating on ya or anything I’m happy yours works and all.