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Posted: 20 October 2012 10:51 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Carnite has a great deformer video/tutorial, but I need more ... lol. Thanks to her I can now manipulate a plane, but now I need to manipulate some hair that does not have a morph that suits my character’s pose.

Anyone good with deformers available to give me some tips?

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Posted: 21 October 2012 12:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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AidanaWillowRaven - 20 October 2012 10:51 PM

Carnite has a great deformer video/tutorial, but I need more ... lol. Thanks to her I can now manipulate a plane, but now I need to manipulate some hair that does not have a morph that suits my character’s pose.

Anyone good with deformers available to give me some tips?

Yeah…for hair I’ve found it’s usually easier to ‘fake’ it, by changing camera angle, followed by exporting it to Blender…and either just usng the Sculpting tools to ‘force’ it into shape and then using the now included CCT to turn those results back into a mesh and using that result as new morph.

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Posted: 21 October 2012 12:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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mjc1016 - 21 October 2012 12:06 AM
AidanaWillowRaven - 20 October 2012 10:51 PM

Carnite has a great deformer video/tutorial, but I need more ... lol. Thanks to her I can now manipulate a plane, but now I need to manipulate some hair that does not have a morph that suits my character’s pose.

Anyone good with deformers available to give me some tips?

Yeah…for hair I’ve found it’s usually easier to ‘fake’ it, by changing camera angle, followed by exporting it to Blender…and either just usng the Sculpting tools to ‘force’ it into shape and then using the now included CCT to turn those results back into a mesh and using that result as new morph.

lol ... I have no experience or time to figure out blender ... lol. I figured deform would be faster. I guess I go with a hair that actually can follow the laws of gravity. Thanks, anyway :D

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Posted: 21 October 2012 12:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Multiple deformers? I have done “hat hair” using several.

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Posted: 21 October 2012 12:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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The problem with most hair, is that it’s like an ogre…no, onion…made of layers…and getting the deformers to do what you want, other than making a character fit (which is usually done on the ‘scullcap’/base of the hair) can be rather time consuming. 

I’ve even had some success using Blender’s cloth sim to get the layers to follow the laws of gravity…then I export a frame or two of that and pop it into MorphLoader  

With DS4 collision objects and smoothing iterations can sometimes be used to hammer misbehaving hair into shape.

Not saying it can’t be done with deformers, just that it’s faster for me to do it in Blender.

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Posted: 21 October 2012 02:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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if I was using Ds3 i’d use the Daz free sculpt tool because it’s easy for small adjustments and use the deformers for big movement. most importantly on hair, make sure you know the bone to put the deformer on- its quite often the neck bone.  Clicking the bone will turn the hair invisible, so you know that’s where to put the deformer.  When I was starting out i’d put the deformer on the head and wondering why it had no effect on the hair.

apologies for typoes or not making sense….. I’m recovering from three days of no sleep and not quite all awake yet. Of course thats the best time to browse the forums yeah? raspberry

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Posted: 21 October 2012 02:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I use deformers on hair especially for ‘hat hair’.
It does depend on exactly what you are trying to do with which hair.

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Posted: 21 October 2012 02:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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I am using DS3 but have never used any script tool, before, so need help, there.

All I really want to do is move the bangs of the hair back, as if he character is looking up at something, so her hair is following gravity and flowing back instead of defying gravity and continuing to frame her face. The morphs and styles that came with the hair does not offer ‘bangs blow back’ as an option.

There are no bones. The hair rests in the scene as a single level prop does.

Do you need to know what hair it is?

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Posted: 21 October 2012 02:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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scorpio64dragon - 21 October 2012 02:14 AM

I use deformers on hair especially for ‘hat hair’.
It does depend on exactly what you are trying to do with which hair.


The hair: Adeline Hair

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=95318

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Posted: 21 October 2012 02:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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You CAN certainly make morphs using deformers- I have done that before though its a bit consuming, and depending on how complex the hair is, needs a few to several deformers at once.

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Posted: 21 October 2012 09:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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belovedalia - 21 October 2012 02:28 AM

You CAN certainly make morphs using deformers- I have done that before though its a bit consuming, and depending on how complex the hair is, needs a few to several deformers at once.

Well, I guess I’ll use puppet warp in PS until I can learn how to deform hair. Any good tutorials other than Carnite’s?

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Posted: 21 October 2012 12:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Umm…I thought Carnite’s was pretty much the ‘definitive’ one.

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Posted: 21 October 2012 12:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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mjc1016 - 21 October 2012 12:12 PM

Umm…I thought Carnite’s was pretty much the ‘definitive’ one.

It’s great ... but it doesn’t cover how she does hair ... lol. But the plain was great :D

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Posted: 21 October 2012 12:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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They have a item Called Total Hair Control on Rendo, comes with DS versions and sets for Prop hair and Conforming hair. I use it for some renders.

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Posted: 21 October 2012 01:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Jaderail - 21 October 2012 12:55 PM

They have a item Called Total Hair Control on Rendo, comes with DS versions and sets for Prop hair and Conforming hair. I use it for some renders.

Thanks :D

I will definitely do a search for it :D

Any product that makes my work go faster and easy is worth the money. My deadlines don’t really allow time to dedicate to complex software techniques tweaks ... lol.

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Posted: 21 October 2012 01:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Jaderail - 21 October 2012 12:55 PM

They have a item Called Total Hair Control on Rendo, comes with DS versions and sets for Prop hair and Conforming hair. I use it for some renders.


In my cart! Thanks for the tip.

For those interested: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?ViewProduct=69913

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