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SnowSultan - 21 October 2012 12:05 AM

I have to respectfully disagree, I know for a fact that in at least the first 30 issues of Red Sonja, she wore her chainmail bikini all the time.

I believe that Gone was talking about the original books, not the much later comics.

Ah, OK. I wasn’t aware there were Red Sonja books.

I’m not trying to convince anyone that fantasy skimpywear is what a woman would likely choose to wear into battle, I just get annoyed when people continue to point out how unrealistic it is, like they’re telling us something we don’t know. We do know, we just don’t care.    I probably wouldn’t bother making fantasy art at all if everyone was covered in steel from head to toe.

It also really doesn’t matter to me how many of Boris’ scantily-clad women were warriors or not because the point is that he drew what people wanted: scantily-clad women. Same reason I do, same reason all the non-realistic armor sells so well. If you want to count anything, count how many women he illustrated that were modestly dressed. That I’d be curious to know. 

Anyway, my intention isn’t to argue, this just happens to bug me like how ‘elite’ 3D software users looking down on Poser and Studio users bugs just about everyone around here.

Not to derail a humourous thread like this but I really don’t care if I get looked down on or not for doing what I enjoy. And in the same token I understand too well we all have different tastes and opinions etc which is what makes the world such an interesting place to visit.

I’d seen that video before and had a good chuckle at it.  My main inputs to this are a recollection of a set of books (I’ll be whatevered if I can recall the quite famous author - it could have been Jack Chalker) where two people get zapped across dimensions into a fantasy world run by ‘the rules’.  Such as: any endeavour that involes 9 people will automatically become ‘a quest’ and that any quest requires 9 companions, one of whom will prove unstrustworthy.  Along with those was the fact that any barbarian female had to wear skimpy armour, etc.
And back in the land of the real, a young lady I once knew told a group of us that she had discovered that when wearing chainmail armour (i this case a chainmail bikini) one needed to be very, very sure that the mail was lined as it did have the propensity to ‘catch’ as she said.  Much wincing ensued!

As a novice vendor (since april 2012) my attitude is rather selfish it goes like this: ‘Im gonna make what I want, if it sells well - then great, and if not ,well sod it, at least I got the content I wanted. :D

In this case I want some casual & contemporary clothes for Genesis, because I actually have zero interest in fantasy/elves/faries/Scifi/warrior princesses etc.
Although thats what most tend to buy, It does nothing for me personally. I dont buy it, so I certainly will never make any of it either. And even if I did, many vendors do it so much better than I could, so it would be rather pointless trying to compete.

As it transpires - my casual sets so far have sold alright, probably on the basis that there is less competition in that area, if I search the store for Genesis everyday clothing, its mostly Dazos with just handful of third party vendor products.
When I released the MK I railway carriage, I really did not expect many people to buy it, as it was very niche. When I posted a few renders in the forum - and no one replied, I was deeply concerned. But in a turn around of events, it turned out to be my best selling product to date.
So sometimes going for the niche can really pay off.
I guess forum intreast doesn’t always accurately reflect what products people actually want.

As a vendor who tries to make realistic armor, or at least fantasy armor that would (for the most part) be functional as actual armor, I do find it kinda frustrating when I find out that Skimpmail, so to speak, horribly outsells my more protective choices.

But, hey, at least there IS such a choice.

Guilty!

Although I will admit, this was done as a joke since it was the first thing I thought to do when I saw the chainmail textures in Marieah’s
Machpack, couldn’t resist taking the genesis bikini (or at least the top, I think the bottom is from something else) and making a chainmail bikini.

Alric - 21 October 2012 01:03 AM

SnowSultan - 21 October 2012 12:05 AM

I have to respectfully disagree, I know for a fact that in at least the first 30 issues of Red Sonja, she wore her chainmail bikini all the time.

I believe that Gone was talking about the original books, not the much later comics.

Indeed, I was referring to the books. I was unaware that there was a comic for her - although I’m not surprised by it.

When we talk about fantasy armour, we should always remember that the emphasis is on fantasy - not armour.

Keep in mind that most of these “armour” designs originated with book cover art and, as we all know, the point of the cover art is to attract attention to sell the book.

As the ad slogan goes - “sex sells”.

It’s much more interesting to see the evolution of the female character in the cover art. First it was the scantily clad “damsel in distress”; then the scantily clad partner; followed by the scantily clad lead; and now - more often - the **gasp** fully dressed lead!

Evolution of the character is a very good point.  Humans, even civilized ones,  seem to be constantly evolving.

Gone - 21 October 2012 11:07 AM

It’s much more interesting to see the evolution of the female character in the cover art. First it was the scantily clad “damsel in distress”; then the scantily clad partner; followed by the scantily clad lead; and now - more often - the **gasp** fully dressed lead!

What’s even funnier is to find a couple editions of the same book, with different cover art…

Dogz - 21 October 2012 07:28 AM

I guess forum intreast doesn’t always accurately reflect what products people actually want.

That is 100% true. Keep in mind that the online represents just a small fraction (but a very vocal one) of the total number of consumers. Paying too much heed to the online stuff can get you into trouble.