Tupperware, anyone....?



  • robkelkrobkelk Posts: 3,190
    edited December 1969

    Sempie said:
    which raises the question
    can you call it Tupperware?

    I'm calling it Tupperware here at this forum. Whenever I will release the stuff on ShareCG or wherever, they're going to be called '1950s style food containers'. I'm not going to take chances with copyright issues. Seems to be a DAZ/Poser-habit anyway, judging from the way most celebrity morphs are named..... :-)

    And here I was about to point out that the sixth Prime Minister of Canada has nothing to do with any company that makes food storage items, so you might get away with renaming these after the fifth or seventh Prime Minister... :-)

    (As an aside, our first Prime Minister had nothing to do with hamburgers, our fourth had nothing to do with machine guns, and our nineteenth has nothing to do with soup... Just saying.)

  • SempieSempie Posts: 54
    edited December 1969

    robkelk said:

    And here I was about to point out that the sixth Prime Minister of Canada has nothing to do with any company that makes food storage items, so you might get away with renaming these after the fifth or seventh Prime Minister... :-)

    (As an aside, our first Prime Minister had nothing to do with hamburgers, our fourth had nothing to do with machine guns, and our nineteenth has nothing to do with soup... Just saying.)



    Nah, stuff named like that would not sell.

    I could consider Toppleware or something like that, but then again, the brand name was never shown prominently
    on the merchandise and would only show up at extreme close-ups, so I'm going to leave my stuff brandless.

    By the way.... Delirati esti Canadii...... (Asterix & Obelix style latin for: You Canadians are wierd..... :-) )

    Don't worry; unlike those kids from Southpark, I'm not blaming Canada - or your past prime ministers. Either for fast food or anything else. (Well, okay, granted, maybe maple syrup...)

  • SempieSempie Posts: 54
    edited August 2012

    @ lordvicore

    Thanks for your kind compliments.

    For now I mostly downloaded the Ruby plug ins where I had the faintest idea (from the description) what they actually do.
    As I'm still new at both modeling and SketchUp, I'm still finding my way around - fortunately, having worked with colleagues
    that were professional modelers (Maya, ZBrush, etc) I had some faint idea about the terminology, and in a basic introduction
    course in Maya at work, I covered some basic modeling principles myself.

    I only found out days ago that the free version of SketchUp has no native Boolean tools, and that subdivision tools come
    at the additional price of a commercial plug in.

    I'll download the tools you have recommended - some of them, like the quadface tools, I already have, and already used.
    I like Fredo6's RoundCorner tool, for instance, for quickly softening edges.

    The one thing that I'm a bit frustrated with is one of my favorite native tools of SketchUp; the FollowMe tool.
    It's both incredible intuitive and powerful, and I'm using it for creating my basic Tupperware bowl and box
    shapes. When you leave the Circle and Curved Line tools at there default settings (at respectively 24s and 12s)
    it all works like a dream, but the created objects will be too low res for Poser and Studio. Enhancing the number
    of sides to 120s for circles and 30s for curved lines will produce objects that look decent in Poser and Studio,
    but they make SketchUp choke.

    I'm now working on a Tupperware box, that is actually rather curved. I constructed the bottom contour for the FollowMe
    path on a flat rectangle, using curved lines at a setting of 120 sides; drew the vertical contour on a second rectangle with
    the curved line tool set at a setting of 30s, erased the contours of the rectangles, and then activate the FollowMe tool to
    create my nicely curved box out of the ground plane and the side contour. SketchUp does not give me my box, but shows
    me an hourglass.

    I can then make myself some coffee, drink it, go have a shower, go out for some groceries, prepare myself
    a three coarse meal, eat it, do the dishes, and still find my laptop moaning doing the math. (OK, I'm working
    on a 2006 laptop with a dual core at 1,6 Ghz and 2 GB RAM, which is not exactly the fastest computer currently
    around, but still; I hardly think that the FollowMe tool will utilize more than a single processor core anyway.)
    When finally the high poly mesh is finished, SketchUp will not like it at all, behave sluggish, and whatever
    you like to do with the mesh from then on, you'd better do it outside of SketchUp.

    Preparing the groundwork for my box: 30 minutes tops, if you do it precisely from a set of construction lines.
    Waiting for SketchUp to create my box for me - hours, and hours, and hours. For something as simple as
    a Tupperware box shape. (That's why it is taking me forever to complete my Tupperware set. Waiting for
    hours to see your mesh, and then finding out that I overdid it with the curve shapes, improve on the
    model, and have my computer crunch at the bloody thing for hours - again! That's what's making it a bit
    tedious at the moment.

    I probably need to find a way to keep my modeling in low res when working natively in SketchUp, and then
    boost it up and smoothen it all out in another software.

    You are right about the intuitive nature of SketchUp, that's what sold it to me. That's why I gave up on anything
    else that I tried before SketchUp, starting with Imagine for the Amiga, way back in the early 90s.
    Any time a computer magazine would give away an older version of a 3D software on the cover disk I would
    buy it. Truespace, Cinema4D, whatever. They never hooked me on.

    And then I saw some SketchUp YouTube vids and thought - hey, that great, I can do that!

    I'm originally a draughtsman, worked as a traditional cartoon animator, took me ages to learn how to animate
    in Maya as well; my mind is still set to analogue and intuition, not to digital and complex menus with incompre-
    hensible toolsets. That's what I mostly like about SketchUp; its what-you-see-is-what-you-get approach at
    modeling. The only real bummer is that it is not really designed for high poly work.

    My hope is for a way to create my models in a low resolution in SketchUp, then import it into another package;
    have it double, triple or quadruple the amount of polygons there and smoothing the mesh up without doing
    any other funky stuff, and then import it over to Poser/Daz.

    I even had a test using Maya for this, using the smooth command. Works great on something as simple
    as a bowl shape, and as Maya does not choke on high poly objects it will perform these sorts of operations
    in seconds, if not instantly. But if you have a more complex mesh with both curved surfaces and straight faced
    parts, there's a problem, because the tool makes everything curvy. Maya involves bothering other people anyway,
    as I do not own the program myself.

    I tried a similar approach in Hexagon, but the smoothing process there just completely messed up the
    mesh, creating weird surfaces.

    I still need to try out Blender, Wings3D and MeshLab, that have been recommended to me for using alongside

    As far as your tips go - much appreciated, there was a load of things I did not know yet. I can still use
    all the help I can get.

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  • SempieSempie Posts: 54
    edited December 1969

    After a wait of several hours....
    Smooth like a dream...

    But at 45 Megabites insanely big for a simple box.

    The 120s x 30s presets that worked for my bowl are obviously too big for a box object.

    Good, another lesson learned.

    And back to the drawing board.....

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  • SempieSempie Posts: 54
    edited December 1969

    OK, now we're talking.

    Curved line settings down from (120s x 48s) to (30s x 15s), saving a huge amount of polygons..
    SketchUp taking a couple of minutes instead of hours to create the object.
    Exported as an object from SketchUp - size 6.5 MB, imported into Poser with several small holes in the geometry.

    Not really usable like that.

    Exported as a Collada DAE from SketchUp, imported into Blender, exported as an Obj file without any alterations.
    New obj file size: 1.5 MB. (Even if I never deleted a single face from the geometry - must be some kind of magic)
    Appears smooth in Poser, even with transparency and reflection settings.

    PP2 filesize: 1.2 MB - very acceptable.

    Finally I'm getting somewhere.

    Thanks for that Blender-tip, lordvicore, this one really worked.

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  • SempieSempie Posts: 54
    edited December 1969

    Apparently, judging from my documentation, Tupperware did not shape 'm like that until the 1990s, so here's the
    finished box in the color scheme of that era.

    Finishing the rest of the set should be easy from now on.

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  • JennehJenneh Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    I miss having -real- tupperware. Some of this thin plastic stuff they have in stores makes me sad. Having a virtual set will make me a little -too- happy. Hehe. Maybe you could call it unbreakables?

    ....then again...dishwashers don't like tupperware.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 20,348
    edited December 1969

    I thought it was more a case of Tupperware not liking dishwashers.

  • JaguarEllaJaguarElla Posts: 10,939
    edited December 1969


  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 1,185
    edited December 1969

    @ Sempie-
    SketchUp has difficulty with tiny polygons (smaller than the native 1/32" setting) , especially in a follow me operation... this may be the reason for the tiny holes in the part. One workaround for that is to model at twice the actual scale and when you are done scale it back down. I've done this many times and it works well.
    Also- Look into a ruby script called "FollowMe and keep", it it seems to keep the path extrusion more along the desired path with less or no twisting.

    Sorry, for the briefness of this post, I'm on the way out.

    Good luck.

  • JennehJenneh Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    It very well could mean tupperware has it out for dishwashers....very good point. Of course now I'm getting the visual of tupperware waging war inside dishwashers. Hehe.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 20,348
    edited December 1969

    lol. My money is on the dishwasher winning. :coolsmirk:

  • Eustace ScrubbEustace Scrubb Posts: 1,444
    edited December 1969

    My mom serves my son (3 1/2 y.o.) orange juice in the same Tupperware cups I used at his age, from time to time. Not the same style, the same cups with the same scratches on the same sides.:cheese:

  • SempieSempie Posts: 54
    edited August 2012

    Update: getting in gear for either a party or a climactic battle against the dishwasher - a set of 1950s and 1960s inspired food containers,
    Still working on the sippy cup and some box shaped containers.

    Quick 'n fast Poser 4 render:

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  • Lord GanthorLord Ganthor Posts: 552
    edited December 1969

    Very cool! They almost look real!

  • JennehJenneh Posts: 0
    edited December 1969

    They really do! I think that the ones I've had are a little more opaque but these are perfect. :D

  • SempieSempie Posts: 54
    edited September 2012

    You can make them more realistic in Poser 7, using the material room, or in DS4, using the shader mixer, but they take a long time
    to render that way. For quicky previews, I'm sticking to Poser 4, without all the fancy whistles and bells, and a simple global lighting set
    I once created.

    When I release the set, I'll include some Poser 7 material presets - I'm really not all that familiar with the Studio shader system, so
    I'll have to see about that.

    It's mostly about adding a glossy node and some ambient occlusion, and rendering at high quality settings, using an IBL light at low intensity for the ambient light, and one or two regular light sources.

    Makes Poser 7 slow as treacle, though. Firefly does not like all these transparency settings anyway.

    Haven't got Reality (yet), so I have no way of telling how an unbiased ray tracer likes all that semi-transparent stuff.

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