Luke and Laura for Genesis, Genesis Teen Renders

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  • LeanaLeana Posts: 796
    edited December 1969

    Thorne said:
    I am currently working on a "Basic Youth" set for Genesis which will include both a teen girl and teen boy shape. These have been in development for a while now and so should be surfacing in about another month, just finalizing some of the extra included morphs and the new texture sets, of which there will be one each for the boy and for the girl.


    The boy will look much more boyish than in the preview below-- he just has a V4 texture in this image, because his isn't finished yet, but this shows the basic shapes. These have all new joint parameters and any Genesis clothing will fit them perfectly.


    Soon. ;)

    Those look really good Thorne :)

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 2,154
    edited May 2012

    The Thorne stuff looks like just what the doctor ordered to fill a long-standing gap.


    Basically we've got two different issues here. We've got filling the noticable gaps in the age line-up of the Genesis figure, and we've got the porting of existing content for Genesis's use.


    To port existing content, it *sounds* like, under current technology, what is needed are actual clone models of the older figures. It doesn't sound like those can be readily faked. To use Matt's clothing, you need an actual Matt clone to use as a starting point. You may not necessarily need a Matt morph for Genesis, because you may be using the clothing on Basic Child, or even Genesis Aiko 3 or something else. But you do need the Matt clone for the target.


    To fill gaps in the lineup you need new morphs for Genesis, and it doesn't sound like they necessarily need to match the older figures at all. In fact, the new morphs may very well be better representations of the intended age target than any of the older figures were, and if you can get the older clothing onto Genesis in the first place, the new figure ought to be able to use it.


    Right now, we've got a long-standing gap where the older children and young teens belong -- and we could use a better target (or more varied morph package) for the younger children as well. The Basic Child morph is really a bit too broad-shouldered, and there isn't really a simple way of correcting that. We've also got a present (although probably temporary) gap where the old folks live. There were a number of good elderly morphs for Gen4 but Genesis can't use them out of the box, and needs to catch up. I'm sure this will happen in time, but it will take time.


    For porting existing content; I'm not sure how complex this issue is. Probably more so than it looks. But it may really need it's own dedicated utility or script. I think everyone agrees that while autofit is a lot better than nothing, losing all of a clothing model's movement morphs is not really acceptable. There have been a number of posts about using the Transfer utility, which sounds promising, but it also sounds like it needs a proper target, and better documentation.


    But it really does seem to be two different issues.

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  • RCDescheneRCDeschene Posts: 2,105
    edited December 1969

    JOdel said:
    Right now, we've got a long-standing gap where the older children and young teens belong -- and we could use a better target (or more varied morph package) for the younger children as well. The Basic Child morph is really a bit too broad-shouldered, and there isn't really a simple way of correcting that. We've also got a present (although probably temporary) gap where the old folks live. There were a number of good elderly morphs for Gen4 but Genesis can't use them out of the box, and needs to catch up. I'm sure this will happen in time, but it will take time.

    Actually, seeing this reminded me of that promotional image showing that figure platform between Victoria 5 & Michael 5 and how they "complete" Genesis with all the genres they apply to. Among them are young and old.

  • Kulay WolfKulay Wolf Posts: 11,060
    edited December 1969

    JOdel said:
    Right now, we've got a long-standing gap where the older children and young teens belong -- and we could use a better target (or more varied morph package) for the younger children as well. The Basic Child morph is really a bit too broad-shouldered, and there isn't really a simple way of correcting that. We've also got a present (although probably temporary) gap where the old folks live. There were a number of good elderly morphs for Gen4 but Genesis can't use them out of the box, and needs to catch up. I'm sure this will happen in time, but it will take time.

    Actually, seeing this reminded me of that promotional image showing that figure platform between Victoria 5 & Michael 5 and how they "complete" Genesis with all the genres they apply to. Among them are young and old.

    That is a cool poster. I wish they would sell it as a real poster so we can use it to put it up somewhere on our walls.

  • Cybersox13Cybersox13 Posts: 3,125
    edited December 1969


    And really, what I want, and what I think what most of us want when we say we want the mil kids blanks for Genesis isn't those characters, it's being able to use their clothes, shoes, hair and textures without having to use genX, a clothing convertor and a texture convertor first. Especially since a lot of the old Gen 3 and earlier clothing are the "boring, regular day to day" items that that trampy V4 never seemed to have in her closet.

    You kidding me? I LOVE my simple, everyday Gen 3 clothing! :lol:

    So do I. There's nothing wrong with sexy outfits and half naked V4's, and if that';s what people want to render, that's fine for them....but when you're doing a comic, a storyboard or animatic it's damned hard to dress a crowd of gen 4 figures in a way that reflects the way people in the real world dress, especially if you want to have anyone under the age of 18, over 50 or a less than perfect physical specimen. And lets not even get into the lack of occupational clothing...

  • Kulay WolfKulay Wolf Posts: 11,060
    edited December 1969


    And really, what I want, and what I think what most of us want when we say we want the mil kids blanks for Genesis isn't those characters, it's being able to use their clothes, shoes, hair and textures without having to use genX, a clothing convertor and a texture convertor first. Especially since a lot of the old Gen 3 and earlier clothing are the "boring, regular day to day" items that that trampy V4 never seemed to have in her closet.

    You kidding me? I LOVE my simple, everyday Gen 3 clothing! :lol:

    So do I. There's nothing wrong with sexy outfits and half naked V4's, and if that';s what people want to render, that's fine for them....but when you're doing a comic, a storyboard or animatic it's damned hard to dress a crowd of gen 4 figures in a way that reflects the way people in the real world dress, especially if you want to have anyone under the age of 18, over 50 or a less than perfect physical specimen. And lets not even get into the lack of occupational clothing...

    So we cannot do something with just Super Heroes and Super Heroines without the common guy or gal who suffers from Munching Madness violation or something like that.

  • RCDescheneRCDeschene Posts: 2,105
    edited May 2012


    And really, what I want, and what I think what most of us want when we say we want the mil kids blanks for Genesis isn't those characters, it's being able to use their clothes, shoes, hair and textures without having to use genX, a clothing convertor and a texture convertor first. Especially since a lot of the old Gen 3 and earlier clothing are the "boring, regular day to day" items that that trampy V4 never seemed to have in her closet.

    You kidding me? I LOVE my simple, everyday Gen 3 clothing! :lol:

    So do I. There's nothing wrong with sexy outfits and half naked V4's, and if that';s what people want to render, that's fine for them....but when you're doing a comic, a storyboard or animatic it's damned hard to dress a crowd of gen 4 figures in a way that reflects the way people in the real world dress, especially if you want to have anyone under the age of 18, over 50 or a less than perfect physical specimen. And lets not even get into the lack of occupational clothing...


    No kidding! Though, I do recall seeing business-appropriate attire for V4 and M4, as well as medical construction clothing. And if you're really looking for nice schoolgirl uniforms, the one for Aiko 4 is pretty decent.

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  • Cybersox13Cybersox13 Posts: 3,125
    edited December 1969

    [No kidding! Though, I do recall seeing business-appropriate attire for V4 and M4, as well as medical construction clothing. And if you're really looking for nice schoolgirl uniforms, the one for Aiko 4 is pretty decent.


    The fact that you "recall" seeing some business appropriate attire for V4/M4 is a perfect indicator of how dire the problem is, and that's one of the better represented categories.


    On the other hand, where are the letter carriers, janitors, gardeners, cooks and waiters? French/Japanese Maids... I've got several dozen of those in my runtimes and could have three dozen more, but a maid that actually looks like a maid in a hotel or office building? Nary a one. I can buy a dozen different jails for Daz/Poser, but there's exactly ONE prison jumpsuit, and it's at Poserworld. M3 had a spacesuit to go with the Daz Spaceshuttle. M4 and V4 apparently scrubbed out of the program. And while there are hundreds of different Amazon warrior costumes, is there a single FUNCTIONAL fire fighter outfit for V4... no mesh stockings or mini-skirts?


    And let's not get onto the subject of Japanese school girl uniforms and why there are so many, other than to say that obviously the reason the Japanese are so far ahead of us in Poser Technology is that THEIR kids have clothes to go to school in.


    And that, Daz, is why we need the Luke, Laura and Mil-Kids shapes now! So that the Genesis kids can go to school without getting sent home for violating the dress code by showing up in a nearly-there cocktail dress or chain mail micro-bikini with six-inch heels. It's your patriotic duty!

  • BarubaryBarubary Posts: 972
    edited December 1969

    Well, add another voice to the chorus asking for Luke/Laura for Genesis! As I said in another thread on the old board, I don't see why we have 3 Victorias and Michaels and some other figures in several incarnations before we get a single teenaged character. I mean, they do exist in the real world, right? :D

    Truth to be told, I was kinda hoping that someone who has already worked on younger characters - like Thorne, actually I was thinking precisely of her - would step in and at least try to create a single young character for Genesis. I did not expect in so soon O_O
    So basically, this coming product of Thorne is like a dream come true. I don't usually say that, but, man, I'm gonna buy that right away!


    Unfortunately, as far as DAZ is concerned, I'm not too optimistic. I don't see them releasing anything like that anytime soon. All the more reason to reward those who do!

  • siocsioc Posts: 266
    edited December 1969

    Thorne said:
    I am currently working on a "Basic Youth" set for Genesis which will include both a teen girl and teen boy shape. These have been in development for a while now and so should be surfacing in about another month, just finalizing some of the extra included morphs and the new texture sets, of which there will be one each for the boy and for the girl.


    The boy will look much more boyish than in the preview below-- he just has a V4 texture in this image, because his isn't finished yet, but this shows the basic shapes. These have all new joint parameters and any Genesis clothing will fit them perfectly.


    Soon. ;)

    I can't wait for those!

  • KaboomKaboom Posts: 11
    edited June 2012

    Hey guys. Been out of the poser/daz world for some time and just got on here to check if there had been some progress in the preteen/young teen(I don´t much like the term "tween") department since that is what I mostly used in my work (digitalvanilla.deviantart.com).
    Thorne´s models seem to be exactly what I´d like to work with.
    What I remember from before was that the child morphs of genesis was superyoung looking as well as rather boxy and dialling it to be older just produced even more boxy-looking stuff that was very out of proportion.

    From what can be seen in Thorne´s image it looks pretty perfect(for me anyway). Lanky and waiflike without boobs. AND with Thornes "signature" look :D (those lips and eyes are to die for)

    So yeah, basically just wanted to say that and hopefully it´ll be all I´m hoping for once it´s out. :)

    EDIT: Lol, just noticed that it says this is my first post. :S Did all old posts die with the remake? Don´t mind though, looks awesome with joindate 2003 and total posts 1 :D

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  • edited June 2012

    One thing I did is split the basic child head off of the rest of the morph (revert vertices below some point in the neck) so you can put the child face morph in with other faces. I should do this with Aven too (but with the body morph)

    Can't wait for Thorne's new product.

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  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 2,154
    edited December 1969

    Well, it looks like Oskarson has slipped in ahead of the rest of the field.


    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/genesis-preteens/94170#


    A very nice start on plugging that gap, it looks like. Not that I won't grab Thorne's teens as soon as they show up in the store as well.

  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 2,013
    edited July 2012

    JOdel said:
    Well, it looks like Oskarson has slipped in ahead of the rest of the field.


    Actually, several of our last characters (Ryuu, Braxton M5, Anya V5 and Ashley M5.... also some of Santo) have a young adult character and body morph added it. Ashley has two morphs that can be used as a preteen as well.


    This render is using the Brady morph from Ashley M5 (currently on sale):


    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=2337430

    If the texture allows a younger morph, I'll add a young morph in to add more versatility to the set.

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 5,583
    edited December 1969

    JOdel said:
    Well, it looks like Oskarson has slipped in ahead of the rest of the field.


    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/genesis-preteens/94170#


    A very nice start on plugging that gap, it looks like. Not that I won't grab Thorne's teens as soon as they show up in the store as well.

    .


    Thanks for the heads up...very believable morphs and the clothing is a nice extra. :-)

  • Cybersox13Cybersox13 Posts: 3,125
    edited December 1969

    JOdel said:
    Well, it looks like Oskarson has slipped in ahead of the rest of the field.


    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/genesis-preteens/94170#


    A very nice start on plugging that gap, it looks like. Not that I won't grab Thorne's teens as soon as they show up in the store as well.

    These look very nice. I've already got his V4 pre-teen pack and have been pretty happy with it, but finally getting the male as well is a huge plus. And yeah, I'm also still going to get the Thorne teens as well. I don't need kids in this age bracket all that often, but when I do, they always seem to come in packs...

  • KaboomKaboom Posts: 11
    edited July 2012

    For me the Oskarsson preteen doesn´t really work. To large boobs. I will basically use Laura for fairies, nymphs and that kind of creatures and I want slender and childish. Ofcourse Laura straight out of the box doesn´t really cut it for me either, but I have a set of morphs that transforms her just the way I want to.
    Still, Thorne´s looks like the jackpot. Though I´d have to see it without clothes to really judge. (the same could ofcourse be said for Oskarssons, but if the clothed pics are to be trusted she looks a tad to mature for me.

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  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 5,583
    edited December 1969

    I think Oskarsson's set looks superb. There is a young gal that comes to our salon that looks very much like her. Keep in mind this is Genesis, you want the boobs smaller, make them smaller and save it out as a preset. I know 15 year old gals with more boobage than many full grown women. Every one is different in how they mature and what nature gave them in that department!

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 2,154
    edited December 1969

    Right. Boobs, schmoobs. What matters most are the overall porportions -- as in skeletal porportions -- and the young faces. I do think Oskarsson's boy looks younger than the girl, but the girl doesn't look like a 20-year-old who's been stuffed into a school uniform.

  • MurgatroydMurgatroyd Posts: 585
    edited December 1969

    So far, I've only found a few problems with Oskarsson's preteens.

    First, the scale setting is simply not right. Fortunately, it's easy enough to change 92% to 83% (which gives a character the height of an average 12-year-old). See attached pictures with the preteen girl next to V5.

    Second, the boy head morph has the mouth slightly open. I haven't found a fix for this yet.

    Third, the arrangement of files and folders for the clothing and materials is poorly thought out. I've rearranged mine to put the clothing into a subfolder of the main Genesis clothing folder, and the materials into a subfolder of that.

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  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 1,640
    edited December 1969

    Here's one I just finished, using a mishmash of morphs for Genesis (child, Basic female, Victoria 5, Aven, Stephanie 4, and Reby Sky, with breast small at 1). I haven't picked up Oskarson's morphs yet. Using the morphs, the figure was scaled down to 88%, so I had to scale her down a little more (aiming for 4' 8, which may be a little shorter than my daughter currently)

    It's my daughter's character for my current pirate game, and approved by her. Like her, the character is supposed to be 12, and I would trust her to know what 12 is "supposed" to look like. :)

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  • FixmypcmikeFixmypcmike Posts: 12,337
    edited December 1969

    Here's one I just finished, using a mishmash of morphs for Genesis (child, Basic female, Victoria 5, Aven, Stephanie 4, and Reby Sky, with breast small at 1). I haven't picked up Oskarson's morphs yet. Using the morphs, the figure was scaled down to 88%, so I had to scale her down a little more (aiming for 4' 8, which may be a little shorter than my daughter currently)

    It's my daughter's character for my current pirate game, and approved by her. Like her, the character is supposed to be 12, and I would trust her to know what 12 is "supposed" to look like. :)

    Really nice, well done.

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 2,154
    edited December 1969

    Very nice indeed. On examination I'd say Oskarsson's girl is more mid-teens than preeteen, but she's still not a full adult, and mid-teen is another empty target gap.

  • RCDescheneRCDeschene Posts: 2,105
    edited December 1969

    So far, I've only found a few problems with Oskarsson's preteens.

    First, the scale setting is simply not right. Fortunately, it's easy enough to change 92% to 83% (which gives a character the height of an average 12-year-old). See attached pictures with the preteen girl next to V5.

    Second, the boy head morph has the mouth slightly open. I haven't found a fix for this yet.

    Third, the arrangement of files and folders for the clothing and materials is poorly thought out. I've rearranged mine to put the clothing into a subfolder of the main Genesis clothing folder, and the materials into a subfolder of that.


    I'm interested in seeing some comparison images of them with Laura & Luke.

  • MurgatroydMurgatroyd Posts: 585
    edited December 1969

    So far, I've only found a few problems with Oskarsson's preteens.

    First, the scale setting is simply not right. Fortunately, it's easy enough to change 92% to 83% (which gives a character the height of an average 12-year-old). See attached pictures with the preteen girl next to V5.

    Second, the boy head morph has the mouth slightly open. I haven't found a fix for this yet.

    Third, the arrangement of files and folders for the clothing and materials is poorly thought out. I've rearranged mine to put the clothing into a subfolder of the main Genesis clothing folder, and the materials into a subfolder of that.


    I'm interested in seeing some comparison images of them with Laura & Luke.

    Here they are, at my modified scale.

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  • RCDescheneRCDeschene Posts: 2,105
    edited July 2012

    Hmm... Yeah, I see what you mean about the scaling, not to mention that the girl's breasts are even perkier than the Laura 5 I tried to pull off. Either way, I'm not too thrilled with their default heads or limbs. The faces are way too vexed in my opinion and the thinness of their arms and legs make their torsos look rather stocky. At least Laura & Luke, as thick as they are, keep a steady and smooth proportion rate.

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  • MurgatroydMurgatroyd Posts: 585
    edited December 1969

    Here's my latest dial-spun pair, with L&L for comparison. Thoughts?

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  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 2,154
    edited December 1969

    Very nice! That makes a great starting point, and the faces also look young enough for kids. In fact, I'd say these are better than L&L. The boy's shoulders are a good deal better than Luke's and the girl is a bit less developed, which is all to the good for a base point.

  • RCDescheneRCDeschene Posts: 2,105
    edited December 1969

    JOdel said:
    Very nice! That makes a great starting point, and the faces also look young enough for kids. In fact, I'd say these are better than L&L. The boy's shoulders are a good deal better than Luke's and the girl is a bit less developed, which is all to the good for a base point.

    I agree from those angles.


    They definitely look a lot better in these latest ones, Murgatroyd. However, are those their default looks or did you morph them to look better?

  • MurgatroydMurgatroyd Posts: 585
    edited December 1969

    JOdel said:
    Very nice! That makes a great starting point, and the faces also look young enough for kids. In fact, I'd say these are better than L&L. The boy's shoulders are a good deal better than Luke's and the girl is a bit less developed, which is all to the good for a base point.

    I agree from those angles.


    They definitely look a lot better in these latest ones, Murgatroyd. However, are those their default looks or did you morph them to look better?

    This latest set is unrelated to the previous ones; I started with base Genesis and kept adding morphs until they looked right:
    Scale 79%
    Head Propagating Scale 8%
    Neck Size -0.7
    Thin 0.4
    Negative values on Chest Width, Sternum Depth, and Lats Volume (remove limits on this one) for chest size.
    Several morphs from this set for the hips and waist.
    A mix of the young face morphs from these two sets, plus a bit of negative Basic Female Head on the boy for a slightly less feminine look.
    A few from this set for the limbs.
    The girl's breasts are Hitomi Breasts Petite at about 0.2; anything up to about 0.5 can look good.

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