Very disappointed and confused with Hiro 5

JohnDelaquioxJohnDelaquiox Posts: 1,063
edited November 2012 in The Commons

I am a very disappointed with Hiro 5. For one its almost laterally just the head and body morph. What happened to all the great morphs we use to get? Now I don't want to see people start plugging Gen X for Genesis I know its there and I know what it does and I don't need or want it.

Hiro 4 Morph for Michael 4 Brought to start

6 Anime Head Styles:
Hiro 4
American 1
American 2
Realistic
Stylized 1
Stylized 2
5 Anime Body Styles:
Hiro 4
Hiro Built
Hiro Realistic
Hiro Stylized

Plus the look of Hiro 5 is just kind of blah. His nose is nice but has no nostrils. Also if you ask me the Base is severely over priced at 40.00 off sale when the Hiro 4 base was around 25 dollars and it brought more stuff. And this base is not like the Gen 3 or Gen 4 base morphs that let you use Hiro 3 and Hiro 4 clothing on Genesis. So why is so expensive? I don't see a 40.00 product. Also is MallenLane still going to put out Takashi? Is there even going to be an Aiko 5 and will she be treated the same way?

Hitomi is only 30.00 dollars, looks amazing and look at all the stuff she brings

• Hitomi 3D Anime Girl for Genesis
Hitomi Full Body Morph
Hitomi Head Morph
Hitomi Custom UV Set
Over 200 JCM and Corrective morphs
Hitomi texture map
4 Illustration style eyelash transparency options
3 Illustration style eye tone textures; 14 color tinting presets each
Custom Morphs
Hitomi Breasts Round, and Petite
Hitomi Realistic Nose
Hitomi Teeth Smoother
Hitomi Lower Face Cheeky, Narrow, and Smaller
Hitomi Eyes Taper Upper, and Lower
Hitomi Eyes Upper Angle Down
Hitomi Eyes Lower Angle Up
Ears Elf Anime and Classic, for Genesis and Hitomi
Eyes Size (corrective)
Voluptuous (corrective)
Anime Style Brow Conformer (.DSF)
Brows Wider
Brows Height Inner, Center, and Outer, Right/Left
Brows Thinner Inner and Outer, Right/Left
Brows Thicker Inner and Outer, Right/Left
'Soft' transparency map option
Hitomi Rings Poseable Hairstyle (.DSF)
Controls for posing
Right/Left Bangs Forward-Back, Side-Side, and Twirl
Right/Left Tails Forward-Back, Side-Side. and Twirl
Sweep Right/Left (front bangs)
Morphs for shaping:
Bangs Long
Bangs Large Right/Left
Puff Bangs
Tails Long
Tails Size
Hitomi Hairline Forward
Illustration style transparency texture option
'Fine' detail transparency texture option
Hitomi Lace Top and Bottom (.DSF)
Additional fits for
Aiko 4, and The Girl 4
Victoria 4, and Victoria 5
Basic Female
'Cotton Candy' light set used in many of the promos
Three speed presets: Draft, Medium, and Quality
Textures Include
10 Texture/Transparency/Specular Maps (1024x1024)
13 Texture/Transparency/Specular/Displacement Maps (2048x2048)
1 HDRI Tif Map (500x250)
DAZ Studio Material Presets (.DSA)

Now look at what you get at 40.00 dollars with Hiro 5

• Hiro 5
Hiro 5 Body Shape
Hiro 5 Head Shape
Hiro 5 UV Set
Hiro 5 Character Preset (.DUF, .DSF and .CR2)
Anime Brows Male (.DUF, .DSF and .CR2)
30 Hiro 5 Poses (.DUF, .DSA and .PZ2)
Textures Include:
5 Texture and Specular Maps (2048 x 2048)
5 Texture, Transparency and Specular Maps (1024 x 1024)
Poser Material Presets (.MC6)
DAZ Studio Material Presets (.DUF and .DSA)
DAZ Studio Material Uber Surface Presets (.DUF and .DSA)
Poser Imported Material Presets (.MC6 and .DUF)

Stephanie 5 is also around 40.00 but look at what you get with her.

• Stephanie 5
Stephanie 5 Full Body Shape
Stephanie 5 Curvy Additive Body Shape
Stephanie 5 Model Additive Body Shape
Stephanie 5 Head Shape
2 Alternative Head Shapes
Stephanie 5 Custom UV Set
Stephanie 5 Elite Texture: Michelle
Michelle All
6 Eye Material Options
2 Eye Reflection Options
4 Make-up Options
2 Eye Lash Options
8 Nail Material Options
Character Presets (.DSF)
Stephanie 5 Character Preset
Stephanie 5 Curvy Character Preset
Stephanie 5 Model Character Preset
27 Poses (.DSA)
5 Stephanie 5 Poses
4 Flat Footed Versions
5 Stephanie 5 Curvy Poses
4 Flat Footed Versions
5 Stephanie 5 Model Poses
4 Flat Footed Versions
Stephanie 5 Interjections Shaders
Universal Base
2 Tear Options
3 Diffuse Level Options
Full Michelle Preset
Textures Include:
33 Texture, Bump, Specular, and SubSurface Maps (4000 x 4000)
2 Texture and Bump Maps (2000 x 2000)
2 Transparency and Reflection Maps (1024 x 1024)
9 Texture and Bump Maps (1000 x 1000)
DAZ Studio Material Presets (.DSA)
DAZ Studio Shader Presets (.DSA)

After the Launch of Hiro5 and my disappointment I can't say I am looking forward to any of the remaining Generation 5 morphs.

I wish we could have gotten or still get something more like this. These are some images from Appleseed Ex Machina and Vexille. I think they have an amazing look to them and something similar to that look would be awesome for Genesis.

http://www.shmellycat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Deunan.png

http://www.shmellycat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Tereus.png

http://ztoe.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/briareos-tereus.jpg

http://www.yukianimereviews.com/images/e531.jpg

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4584/hitomitx9.jpg

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews35/a appleseed ex machine blu-ray/HF7Y0544.jpg

http://www.tvkon.com/images/anime/07/08/Appleseed-ExMachina_trailer2.flv/00000003.jpg

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/583/83835651.jpg

http://myndir.laxdal.org/d/1022-2/Appleseed_Ex_Machina_6.jpg

http://assets.m80im.com/resources/appleseed/Appleseed16.jpg

http://assets.m80im.com/resources/appleseed/exmachina.htm

Post edited by JohnDelaquiox on

Comments

  • JoeQuickJoeQuick Posts: 813
    edited December 1969

    Did you like the look of Takashi more than Hiro 5?

  • JohnDelaquioxJohnDelaquiox Posts: 1,063
    edited December 1969

    I really did not see a lot of him but the parts I did see I can say I liked more. His eyes if I remember were a little bigger and had a nicer shape. and I think the nose and mouth were a bit more like Hitomis.

  • Proxima ShiningProxima Shining Posts: 1,001
    edited November 2012

    Where did you see Takashi (pre-Hiro 5) ????? (I feel like asking about a Yetti sighting :coolsmile: )

    Post edited by Proxima Shining on
  • Dream CutterDream Cutter Posts: 1,082
    edited December 1969

    I am a very disappointed with Hiro 5. For one its almost laterally just the head and body morph. What happened to all the great morphs we use to get? Now I don't want to see people start plugging Gen X for Genesis I know its there and I know what it does and I don't need or want it.

    Hiro 4 Morph for Michael 4 Brought to start

    6 Anime Head Styles:
    Hiro 4
    American 1
    American 2
    Realistic
    Stylized 1
    Stylized 2
    5 Anime Body Styles:
    Hiro 4
    Hiro Built
    Hiro Realistic
    Hiro Stylized

    Plus the look of Hiro 5 is just kind of blah. His nose is nice but has no nostrils. Also if you ask me the Base is severely over priced at 40.00 off sale when the Hiro 4 base was around 25 dollars and it brought more stuff. And this base is not like the Gen 3 or Gen 4 base morphs that let you use Hiro 3 and Hiro 4 clothing on Genesis. So why is so expensive? I don't see a 40.00 product. Also is MallenLane still going to put out Takashi? Is there even going to be an Aiko 5 and will she be treated the same way?

    Hitomi is only 30.00 dollars, looks amazing and look at all the stuff she brings

    • Hitomi 3D Anime Girl for Genesis
    Hitomi Full Body Morph
    Hitomi Head Morph
    Hitomi Custom UV Set
    Over 200 JCM and Corrective morphs
    Hitomi texture map
    4 Illustration style eyelash transparency options
    3 Illustration style eye tone textures; 14 color tinting presets each
    Custom Morphs
    Hitomi Breasts Round, and Petite
    Hitomi Realistic Nose
    Hitomi Teeth Smoother
    Hitomi Lower Face Cheeky, Narrow, and Smaller
    Hitomi Eyes Taper Upper, and Lower
    Hitomi Eyes Upper Angle Down
    Hitomi Eyes Lower Angle Up
    Ears Elf Anime and Classic, for Genesis and Hitomi
    Eyes Size (corrective)
    Voluptuous (corrective)
    Anime Style Brow Conformer (.DSF)
    Brows Wider
    Brows Height Inner, Center, and Outer, Right/Left
    Brows Thinner Inner and Outer, Right/Left
    Brows Thicker Inner and Outer, Right/Left
    'Soft' transparency map option
    Hitomi Rings Poseable Hairstyle (.DSF)
    Controls for posing
    Right/Left Bangs Forward-Back, Side-Side, and Twirl
    Right/Left Tails Forward-Back, Side-Side. and Twirl
    Sweep Right/Left (front bangs)
    Morphs for shaping:
    Bangs Long
    Bangs Large Right/Left
    Puff Bangs
    Tails Long
    Tails Size
    Hitomi Hairline Forward
    Illustration style transparency texture option
    'Fine' detail transparency texture option
    Hitomi Lace Top and Bottom (.DSF)
    Additional fits for
    Aiko 4, and The Girl 4
    Victoria 4, and Victoria 5
    Basic Female
    'Cotton Candy' light set used in many of the promos
    Three speed presets: Draft, Medium, and Quality
    Textures Include
    10 Texture/Transparency/Specular Maps (1024x1024)
    13 Texture/Transparency/Specular/Displacement Maps (2048x2048)
    1 HDRI Tif Map (500x250)
    DAZ Studio Material Presets (.DSA)

    Now look at what you get at 40.00 dollars with Hiro 5

    • Hiro 5
    Hiro 5 Body Shape
    Hiro 5 Head Shape
    Hiro 5 UV Set
    Hiro 5 Character Preset (.DUF, .DSF and .CR2)
    Anime Brows Male (.DUF, .DSF and .CR2)
    30 Hiro 5 Poses (.DUF, .DSA and .PZ2)
    Textures Include:
    5 Texture and Specular Maps (2048 x 2048)
    5 Texture, Transparency and Specular Maps (1024 x 1024)
    Poser Material Presets (.MC6)
    DAZ Studio Material Presets (.DUF and .DSA)
    DAZ Studio Material Uber Surface Presets (.DUF and .DSA)
    Poser Imported Material Presets (.MC6 and .DUF)

    Stephanie 5 is also around 40.00 but look at what you get with her.

    • Stephanie 5
    Stephanie 5 Full Body Shape
    Stephanie 5 Curvy Additive Body Shape
    Stephanie 5 Model Additive Body Shape
    Stephanie 5 Head Shape
    2 Alternative Head Shapes
    Stephanie 5 Custom UV Set
    Stephanie 5 Elite Texture: Michelle
    Michelle All
    6 Eye Material Options
    2 Eye Reflection Options
    4 Make-up Options
    2 Eye Lash Options
    8 Nail Material Options
    Character Presets (.DSF)
    Stephanie 5 Character Preset
    Stephanie 5 Curvy Character Preset
    Stephanie 5 Model Character Preset
    27 Poses (.DSA)
    5 Stephanie 5 Poses
    4 Flat Footed Versions
    5 Stephanie 5 Curvy Poses
    4 Flat Footed Versions
    5 Stephanie 5 Model Poses
    4 Flat Footed Versions
    Stephanie 5 Interjections Shaders
    Universal Base
    2 Tear Options
    3 Diffuse Level Options
    Full Michelle Preset
    Textures Include:
    33 Texture, Bump, Specular, and SubSurface Maps (4000 x 4000)
    2 Texture and Bump Maps (2000 x 2000)
    2 Transparency and Reflection Maps (1024 x 1024)
    9 Texture and Bump Maps (1000 x 1000)
    DAZ Studio Material Presets (.DSA)
    DAZ Studio Shader Presets (.DSA)

    After the Launch of Hiro5 and my disappointment I can't say I am looking forward to any of the remaining Generation 5 morphs.

    I wish we could have gotten or still get something more like this. These are some images from Appleseed Ex Machina and Vexille. I think they have an amazing look to them and something similar to that look would be awesome for Genesis.

    http://www.shmellycat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Deunan.png

    http://www.shmellycat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Tereus.png

    http://ztoe.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/briareos-tereus.jpg

    http://www.yukianimereviews.com/images/e531.jpg

    http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4584/hitomitx9.jpg

    http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews35/a appleseed ex machine blu-ray/HF7Y0544.jpg

    http://www.tvkon.com/images/anime/07/08/Appleseed-ExMachina_trailer2.flv/00000003.jpg

    http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/583/83835651.jpg

    http://myndir.laxdal.org/d/1022-2/Appleseed_Ex_Machina_6.jpg

    http://assets.m80im.com/resources/appleseed/Appleseed16.jpg

    http://assets.m80im.com/resources/appleseed/exmachina.htm


    **** Four Stars for Quality Feedback
    All constructive feedback to the product designer. I am glad you shared your insightful and detailed comments. The fact you identify specifics and offer an objective / comparative solution is precisely what is needed to see improvement. Its so much better than the drive by general complaint that's not backed up specific points & example. :coolsmile:


  • JohnDelaquioxJohnDelaquiox Posts: 1,063
    edited December 1969

    Little bits and pieces that had been floating around in I can't remember what thread and I can't remember where else but they are not around anymore and I think in one or two promo images from some other items I can't remember but I don't think they are out yet.

    But yeah I was hoping for more from Hiro 5 and in stead they put out less than less. To me its almost nothing.

    I did this guy I think it was with Genesis testing out the anime shaders before I got the anime eyes and I think it looks better.

    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=2336315&user_id=424381&np;&np;
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=2334356&user_id=424381&np;&np;
    I was hoping to get something closer to this guy here which I did with M4 H4 and a custom texture set I had a friend of mine make for me

    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=2203087&user_id=424381&np;&np;
    There were done using Ash and Zoe from Manihoni on M4 H4

    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=2173174&user_id=424381&np;&np;
    http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1916889&user_id=424381&np;&np;

  • araneldonaraneldon Posts: 620
    edited December 1969

    I was also disappointed to see just one head and body shape in the product and the high cost of the individual items.

  • OdaaOdaa Posts: 246
    edited December 1969

    I think there are some facial features dials included with H5, but haven't played enough to be sure.

  • JohnDelaquioxJohnDelaquiox Posts: 1,063
    edited December 1969

    For the price of the base its still not enough to make it worth the 40.00 dollars off sale price.

    With the Hiro 3 and 4 morphs for genesis I am sure I can come up with many better looking morphs than what the base provides. If you ask me it really brings nothing to the table.

  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 2,759
    edited December 1969

    I think people say that a lot these days, that new shapes don't bring as much to the table as they used to. But if you already have tools to create your dream character then you didn't need the new product anyway.

    For me H5 brings nothing to the table for me either, and I'm not upset either. Saves me $$.

  • JohnDelaquioxJohnDelaquiox Posts: 1,063
    edited December 1969

    Me I am sad. I was hoping to have a male equivalent to my adorable and wonderful Hitomi

  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 2,759
    edited December 1969

    Me I am sad. I was hoping to have a male equivalent to my adorable and wonderful Hitomi

    But I looked at the renders you posted that you thought looked good, can't guys like that work with her? Does it need to be a name brand Hiro or couldn't you just make your own?

  • larsmidnattlarsmidnatt Posts: 2,759
    edited December 1969

    Oh ya know what, I missed one key point here. It's the price tag that is off and that is ground for disappointment. Even without all those cool morphs of yesteryear I think we can make our own Toon though, but I agree he is overpriced. (at least from what I read, I never was going to buy him anyway)

  • JohnDelaquioxJohnDelaquiox Posts: 1,063
    edited December 1969

    Here is another thing

    Hiro usually brought some extra custom face dials for his own expressions plus a bunch of other ones that Genesis just does not have. And in Genesis its really hard to get a nice ultra masculine anime head.

    A Proper Anime Male would have filled in so many missing things in Genesis.

    To tell you the truth I have a lot of Genesis Content and I have not touched Genesis in months.

  • JohnDelaquioxJohnDelaquiox Posts: 1,063
    edited December 2012

    sorry double post

    Post edited by JohnDelaquiox on
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 15,751
    edited December 1969

    araneldon said:
    I was also disappointed to see just one head and body shape in the product and the high cost of the individual items.

    ...I actually felt the same with Steph5. Three body shapes none of which are really "petite". No Petite FBM as the Gen4 version has, no PBMs like the Gen4 version has, and only three instead of six character body shapes/head morphs. Fortunately I got her during a sale, and with my PC coupon, paid only a couple Zlotys. Find that I still use Steph4 for Genesis a lot more.

  • JohnDelaquioxJohnDelaquiox Posts: 1,063
    edited December 1969

    Sure Stephanie did not have that many morphs but they were really well made and I think add something more to genesis

    Hiro 5 how ever was just one morph for the head and body and one really plain texture and the product line for him was really blah in my opinion

    I really like the most recent stuff for the new teens

    I am going to try and do a Batman and Robin render tomorrow

  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 1,555
    edited December 2012

    Kyoto Kid said:
    araneldon said:
    I was also disappointed to see just one head and body shape in the product and the high cost of the individual items.

    ...I actually felt the same with Steph5. Three body shapes none of which are really "petite". No Petite FBM as the Gen4 version has, no PBMs like the Gen4 version has, and only three instead of six character body shapes/head morphs. Fortunately I got her during a sale, and with my PC coupon, paid only a couple Zlotys. Find that I still use Steph4 for Genesis a lot more.

    Wait... so petite = thin as well as short? That's news to me (at 5'0", size 8 US). I have to shop in the petite section of any clothing store, and still have trouble finding things below a size 10. (I'm teasing... kinda. My body shape is not too far off from the Steph 5 Curvy morph, and she still has 5 cm on me.)

    That said, I agree that Steph 4 brought a lot more options to the Gen 4 girls than Steph 5 does to Genesis. Just the proportion morphs alone were worth Steph 4's price of admission. I haven't tried to move them over with GenX, because they basically are scaling morphs, and I'm not afraid to go in and adjust scaling myself.

    As for Hiro 5 ...although I don't know why they aren't listed, he does have eye adjustment and nose moprhs. I don't have Hitomi to compare, but while Hiro does have less than Hitomi, it's not quite as barren as the OP made out.

    Post edited by DaWaterRat on
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